I don’t “protest vote”. I vote for the best candidates on the ballot. I vote for the candidates that I would like to see win.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Republicans are supporting third party candidates in battleground states, cause that would be a smart move.
I wish the Republicans were funneling money to socialists and other leftist candidates. I think it would backfire on them the same way “elevating” Trump did for the Democrats.
Please vote for the Democrat, ffs.
I sure will, as soon as the Democrats adopt single-payer health care, free college tuition, a Green New Deal, etc. If they want my vote, it’s simple: adopt the Greens’ platform. I have no loyalty to parties. I would’ve voted for Bernie if he’d gotten nominated.
Is a candidate you agree with 100% but who has 0% chance of winning the best candidate? Or, is it the candidate you agree with 75% and has 60% chance of winning?
The current two-party system we have is god awful. We can’t leave it like this. What are we supposed to do? How do you propose we get single-payer M4A? UBI? Green New Deal? Free college tuition? Ratifying the Convention on the Rights of the Child? Codifying the rights of queer people? Codifying Roe v Wade? What specifically are we supposed to do about this if voting doesn’t work? Am I missing something here? How do we get out of this nightmare? ~Cherri
I believe so. My goal is to get Democrats an unassailable majority, without needing people like Manchin. I think we’ll see a lot of great changes if that happens.
If we get to that point and Democrats still don’t get things done, and there’s no reasonable explanation, I will turn on them on a dime.
So what do we do to make sure they actually get a majority and that either people like Manchin and Sinema aren’t in it or that they choose to stop shooting down progressive policies and all that? ~Cherri
I’m not sure where to start with campaigns and stuff. And honestly I’m worried it won’t work, or at least not anywhere near as quickly as the far-right can go around acrewing shit up. People have been trying this stuff for a long time. Will it ever be enough?.. ~Cherri
Yes. That’s unfortunately how it is in a 2 party system which is guaranteed by the game theory behind first part the past voting. Burying your head in the sand and pretending otherwise with a 3rd party vote leads to a spoiling effect more destructive to your cause.
I was asking about if the policies I mentioned have enough support within the Democratic Party that the Dems will actually implement those policies when they have a majority rather than them being shot down by people like Manchin and Sinema. ~Cherri
Youre asking under the context of others (and yourself?) justifying 3rd party vote. I can’t predict how the democrats would vote if/when they have a have a majority. I’m saying if you want those policies the only realistic path forward is to fight for it within the democratic party which was an earlier question of yours. 3rd party vote is strictly counterproductive to those goals. Certainly if Manchin and Sinema are barriers to that, the path forward is to fight for them to be pushed/primaried out and those policies are more likely to be implemented. Progressives represent a large group within the democratic party and more representation for them will shift the Overton window in their direction.
I understand being frustrated with the two-party system but given what we’ve got now, voting for anything other than the democratic ticket is detrimental to your views. Voting third party in our current political climate can literally only help Republicans.
As I said in another reply, until we have national ranked-choice voting, voting for a third party candidate is not in any way helpful, no matter how much you dislike the party. At the end of the day, it’s going to be far better having a Democratic majority and president than anyone from the GOP, who are an existential threat (climate change, reproductive rights, class equity, etc).
The failure of the left to unite behind the Green Party is what has caused so many of our problems. The Greens were talking about a Green New Deal over a decade ago; for the Democrats, that’s a fringe position even today. And that’s just one issue. Single payer health care was part of the Green platform back in the 90s, and that’s still a fringe position for Democrats 30 years later. I could go on and on.
I don’t “protest vote”. I vote for the best candidates on the ballot. I vote for the candidates that I would like to see win.
I wish the Republicans were funneling money to socialists and other leftist candidates. I think it would backfire on them the same way “elevating” Trump did for the Democrats.
I sure will, as soon as the Democrats adopt single-payer health care, free college tuition, a Green New Deal, etc. If they want my vote, it’s simple: adopt the Greens’ platform. I have no loyalty to parties. I would’ve voted for Bernie if he’d gotten nominated.
Is a candidate you agree with 100% but who has 0% chance of winning the best candidate? Or, is it the candidate you agree with 75% and has 60% chance of winning?
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The current two-party system we have is god awful. We can’t leave it like this. What are we supposed to do? How do you propose we get single-payer M4A? UBI? Green New Deal? Free college tuition? Ratifying the Convention on the Rights of the Child? Codifying the rights of queer people? Codifying Roe v Wade? What specifically are we supposed to do about this if voting doesn’t work? Am I missing something here? How do we get out of this nightmare? ~Cherri
Campaign within the Democratic Party for those positions- they already have a lot of support.
Enough support among other politicians within the Democratic Party to get them to pass this stuff if they have a majority? ~Cherri
I believe so. My goal is to get Democrats an unassailable majority, without needing people like Manchin. I think we’ll see a lot of great changes if that happens.
If we get to that point and Democrats still don’t get things done, and there’s no reasonable explanation, I will turn on them on a dime.
So what do we do to make sure they actually get a majority and that either people like Manchin and Sinema aren’t in it or that they choose to stop shooting down progressive policies and all that? ~Cherri
Voting as much as we can for every position and making sure our friends do too. Volunteering and organizing campaigns too, if you’re inclined.
I’m not sure where to start with campaigns and stuff. And honestly I’m worried it won’t work, or at least not anywhere near as quickly as the far-right can go around acrewing shit up. People have been trying this stuff for a long time. Will it ever be enough?.. ~Cherri
Yes. That’s unfortunately how it is in a 2 party system which is guaranteed by the game theory behind first part the past voting. Burying your head in the sand and pretending otherwise with a 3rd party vote leads to a spoiling effect more destructive to your cause.
I was asking about if the policies I mentioned have enough support within the Democratic Party that the Dems will actually implement those policies when they have a majority rather than them being shot down by people like Manchin and Sinema. ~Cherri
Youre asking under the context of others (and yourself?) justifying 3rd party vote. I can’t predict how the democrats would vote if/when they have a have a majority. I’m saying if you want those policies the only realistic path forward is to fight for it within the democratic party which was an earlier question of yours. 3rd party vote is strictly counterproductive to those goals. Certainly if Manchin and Sinema are barriers to that, the path forward is to fight for them to be pushed/primaried out and those policies are more likely to be implemented. Progressives represent a large group within the democratic party and more representation for them will shift the Overton window in their direction.
I’m not sure how we’re supposed to do all of that. ~Cherri
I understand being frustrated with the two-party system but given what we’ve got now, voting for anything other than the democratic ticket is detrimental to your views. Voting third party in our current political climate can literally only help Republicans.
As I said in another reply, until we have national ranked-choice voting, voting for a third party candidate is not in any way helpful, no matter how much you dislike the party. At the end of the day, it’s going to be far better having a Democratic majority and president than anyone from the GOP, who are an existential threat (climate change, reproductive rights, class equity, etc).
The failure of the left to unite behind the Green Party is what has caused so many of our problems. The Greens were talking about a Green New Deal over a decade ago; for the Democrats, that’s a fringe position even today. And that’s just one issue. Single payer health care was part of the Green platform back in the 90s, and that’s still a fringe position for Democrats 30 years later. I could go on and on.