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Maybe the lesson to be learned is ‘don’t make shite EVs’?
Media psyops are doing my head in. Please someone help
Wait 4-5 years for those cars to start falling apart like a lot of Korean cars do.
How have Hyundai and Kia’s EV’s held up? I’m about to hit 13 years in my 2011 Kia Optima and, while it still runs fine, it’s a bit of a gas guzzler now. Adding to that, I literally just recieved notice of the 5th or 6th recall on the car, the amount of major recalls it’s had has completely killed any resale value it could’ve had. I really wanted to move on from Hyundai / Kia, but I want an EV to ease my long commute and the other brands are really expensive.
Resale value on a 13 year old car, lol
I never had an issue with my '11 Soul before I traded it for an EV6.
I’m not expecting tons for it, but it’s barely worth a down payment for a new car. Go look at what equivalent preowned cars are being sold for right now.
Resale value on a 13 year old car, lol
Wait a couple more years and it’ll be worth a small fortune for its parts.
Antique with all those gauges!
Is that a real CD player?
/s
Well in Toyota world, resale value is a thing on 13 year old vehicles.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/0a6f5e38-b4aa-4ed3-b8e8-de9ca541c6cd?aff=share_other
Our other car is a 10 year old Toyota. Private party value is maybe 60-70% of the original price lol
The EV6 has had its fair share of ICCU issues:
https://www.kiaevforums.com/threads/ev6-iccu-recall-discussion.8731/
https://www.kiaevforums.com/threads/12v-battery-died-towed-back-to-dealer.9969/
https://www.theautopian.com/why-everyones-favorite-electric-car-keeps-stranding-its-owners/
If you Google " ICCU failure" you will see that new issues keep popping up.
Curious as well as their 2.0/2.4 liter four cylinder engines had issues for a decade that they never fixed.
Yeah, this is the biggest issue with my ‘11 Optima. I had the engine replaced for free, but they just replace it with a new engine that has the same problem, so eventually I guess I’ll have to have the engine replaced again.
These kinds of issues make me a little skeptical of the long-term reliability of their EVs.
If this is true, I hope more ev makers take note of Hyundai/kia having the ability to charge rather quickly at fast chargers. The faster cars can charge, the more likely people will be interested in buying them.
I’ve said it before in other threads but the top two things needed for increased ev adoption are increases in dc fast charging locations(which is sort of being handled with Tesla opening up and nacs adoption) and faster charging speeds.
Totally agree with this.
I’ve said similar before that real world range in the 250-300 mile ballpark is plenty for me because that’s about the maximum distance I can comfortably drive without stopping anyway. Stopping to plug my car in for the 15 minutes I’d already take to stretch my legs, buy a soda, use the bathroom etc doesn’t add any time to my overall journey.
A battery that can get me more than 250-300 miles on a single charge doesn’t add as much value to me as one that can replenish that 250-300 miles in 15-20 minutes at a rest stop I’d have pulled into on the route I was driving anyway.
Hyundai claims the Ioniq can do 10-80% in 18 minutes at a charger that supports fast enough speeds, so if we can get that tech into every EV and build out the charging network enough that I’m guaranteed to have a charger that can hit that rate where I need it then I’ll be pretty much set as far as battery/range questions are concerned.
That 18 minute claim is 100% real too. It’s an actual game-changer for road trips. I’ve driven two 2000 mile round-trip drives in my EV6 and it barely ended up taking longer in real time than when I did that same trip in an ICE since most of my stops were restroom/food breaks I would’ve already taken in my ICE.
Yup. I have a Rivian.
Still few enough fast chargers that I have to check their availability before I go (and a crucial EA station is completely inoperable right now! Only one in that area, but I can plan around it now that I know). When Tesla opens up, problem solved.
But man, if the Rivian could hold its charging curve better (200kW for longer) consistently, that would be absolutely great. 5 minutes longer doesn’t seem like much, but even browsing the web, if you got a family of six in the car, 5 minutes of dead time feels a lot longer than it actually is.
Rivian is the textbook example where higher voltage makes sense to get around the 500 A of CCS limitation and other such a huge pack
Plus better thermal design since it gets thermal throttled quite easy, their cooling strategy is the same as Lucid, which doesn’t result in the best charging performance C rate wise
This is such a great point, and one of the primary reasons we bought an Ioniq 5.
the top two things needed for increased ev adoption are increases in dc fast charging locations(which is sort of being handled with Tesla opening up and nacs adoption) and faster charging speeds.
Strong disagree on charging speed, as 95% of EV charging is done at level 2 chargers. Charging speeds on the level of Teslas and the e-GMP cars are as much as we really need. So I’d put #1 at “more DCFC stations” (to alleviate non-EV owners’ range anxiety) and #2 at “more Level 2 chargers” (to actually serve EV owners’ charging needs).
Make L2 charging ubiquitous throughout places where people leave their cars parked for a while (shopping malls, movie theaters, grocery stores, etc), and heavily incentivize apartment landlords to install them, and EV adoption will be hindered only by how fast carmakers can manufacture them.
Until we see profit numbers on EVs it doesn’t matter how many vehicles are sold by a company.
Bolt sales didn’t matter if they “pulled ahead” because it didn’t work for the company which is why they cancelled it.
Also October numbers were down compared to last month and last quarter so we should continue to pay attention to see what happens next.
It does matter how many vehicles are sold because of economies of scale. Profitability is only possible once the production has been scaled up sufficently because of the big investments that are necessary.
Schrödinger’s EV demand both strong and weak at the same time
Tesla’s sales up 45% this year, it’s crazy to hear people saying sales are down. Just make the EVs affordable and practical.
At the same time, it’s no surprise that Lightning sales are taking off after Ford added $16000 to the price and have a base model with 230 mile range (which ends up really being about 200), and then far less if you tow anything.
The enemy is both weak and strong. “[…] the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
This might be a dumb question but aren’t kia and Hyundai’s super easy to break into now and insurance is insane?
Or do their EVs not have those same issues?
Not the EVs. Insurance for my Ioniq 5 is cheaper than my Prius Prime for identical coverage.
No idea why you were downvoted for a question. This was specific model years (I believe pre2021), and not relevant to new vehicles.
It was only certain vehicles with a regular key ignition. Unfortunately thieves will break your window before they check if you have the easy to steal one.
I think all the EVs are push to start and don’t have the vulnerability
So in one article we have VW cutting production due to lack of demand for EVs
Hyundai and Kia are saying there is strong demand for EVs
Interesting 🤔
The ID4 was/is a disaster.
It is the Chevy Vaga of the EV world.
The Vega received praise and awards at its introduction, including 1971 Motor Trend Car of the Year.[3] Subsequently, the car became widely known for a range of problems related to its engineering,[4] reliability,[5] safety,[6][7] propensity to rust, and engine durability. Despite a series of recalls and design upgrades, the Vega’s problems tarnished both its own as well as General Motors’ reputation.
VW cutting production due to lack of demand for EVs
Because their products are not price competitive.
Hyundai and Kia saying there is strong demand for EVs
Because their products are price competitive.
This is the correct response. I’m in the market but I need the price under $35k for new and $25k for used, not a ton of selection.
HI5 with 15K miles can be had for $27K
I can’t understand why Kia isn’t bringing the EV5 to the US. It’s the size of vehicle that sells the most outside of trucks. People buy RAV4s, CRVs, Foresters, Escapes, etc in insane quantities and this is squarely in that size range. It’s more roomy and open than my EV6 and we’d probably have bought the EV5 if it was available.
Just look at the demand for the Volvo EX30 and that’s a tiny car, but priced well. If they brought this bigger, but not big, car to the US at the same price it would clean house and sell as many as they could produce
Just a matter of time maybe?
Apparently they don’t have plans to bring it here. They launched it in an ultra competitive Chinese market instead of choosing to dominate the US market and convert untold quantities of EV buyers. So stupid IMO
This is pretty confusing. I would love to find out directly why they are holding off. There must be some market research or financial calculation that is getting them to NO.
Except Volkswagen outsells both Hyundai and Kia when it comes to BEVs by a significant margin.
e-GMP is clearly the best EV platform amongst legacy auto.
Once they fix all the ICCU issues and add OTA.
ICCU issues appear to be pretty much fixed (outside occasional fluke failures as you’d expect in any car). And I don’t think the average consumer cares about getting frequent OTAs as much as you think they do honestly. People should buy cars for what they have, not based on what they hope might be added later.
Feature OTAs are good but far from necessary.
I agree. I can’t think of a problem in a car I’ve owned that an OTA would fix. I was worried I’d be missing out on my Leaf vs the Model 3, but in 5 years I’ve never missed having OTAs, things have been working fine.
OTA added camera view when activating the turn signal on my model y
I really appreciated that
My car just came with blind spot warning lights in the mirrors. They’ve worked flawlessly since 2019, didn’t need to wait for an OTA update. (Although I’m very glad Tesla added a solution for their cars).
For me, it’s not about fixing issues. I really love the OTA updates on my Tesla more than I thought I would. I get an update about every 2 weeks for the past year I’ve owned it, and they very commonly include nice new features. It keeps things fresh and fun and prevents me from getting bored of the car.
That’s a good point. Many Tesla drivers want to have the latest and greatest tech so OTA updates probably serves that base well. Personally, I prefer a more boring car where nothing changes and my muscle memory and physical buttons keep things repetitive and easy.
Automatic OTA updates actually are a net negative for Teslas for me.
I don’t trust Musk’s company to not make things worse over some petty thing. Look what he did to Twitter.
If I buy a car, I want some assurance that its software will always be at least as well-designed as it was when I bought it. I don’t have that assurance with Tesla.
What happened to Twitter? I’ve been in it 10+ years and now I can edit typos? They fixed my one complaint/missing feature…
I’ve enjoyed it? What’s supposed to be getting worse?
Adding Apple Music was big for me. They let me customize where I put the video feed from the camera which annoyed me a lot, Joe Mode fucking rules with small kids, and FSD has gone from driving like a drunk scared teenager to being my default on anything over 20 miles.
People said the same thing about cell phones, and now I let my iPhone auto update at night (17.1.1 tonight!) and now I let my car patch at home. I can’t really think of any major regressions?
MEB platform is straight up ass.
They have done really well with it, and it’s supporting three brands with Genesis included. Great investment
And it’s going to remain that way at least until Audi PPE launches. Even then, the Q6 is a bit big.
Personally I’d be in the market for a car with the exterior dimensions of an A3 with the interior of an A4. I’m annoyed that it looks like I’ll have to wait for a long time.
Q4 is 5 inches wider and 4 inches longer than the A3.
Compared to the A4 it’s 3 inches wider but 4 inches shorter.
So it sorta fits in between the two, exterior dimension wise, if you don’t mind the extra width. And it’s got more functional interior space than an A4
Because VW produced shit ev’s. Owned one… never again from VW.
Well you won’t find a market for 20,000 dollar bikes, but you will find one for 500 dollar ones
There are different types of EVs. There will likely be a large demand for electric delivery vans as companies convert their fleets. Demand for small city cars will be slower as individual households decide when it’s worth such a big purchase. Demand for big pickup trucks is kind of low in general, moreso for electric ones.
The Kia ev9… looks dope. Not going to lie.
The bubbly fish design of Tesla is ok.
But the boxy, giant, big SUV came out.
I thought…
I want one… for 60k I believe also? Not bad tbf!
My dealership canceled the ev9 preorder- they make fine cars but will never succeed with their shitty dealership practices.
Online ordering without markup ftw
amazing what happens when you build what most people want and can afford instead of highline trophy vehicles. Prices still need to come down a bit but they are closer than US manufactures by a long shot.
Bz4x…
Kia/Hyundai offer better cars are features.
- Heads up display
- Sun roofs
- 800V fast charging
- FWD on long range versions vs. RWD.
Niro and Kona are the best budget EV’s around. Bolt EUV makes the list also.
FWD offers little (to no) advantage. Might be a marketing advantage? For example, Volvo has switched from FWD to RWD, because FWD isn’t better for EVs
Kia/huyndai self driving is great.
