ICCU issues appear to be pretty much fixed (outside occasional fluke failures as you’d expect in any car). And I don’t think the average consumer cares about getting frequent OTAs as much as you think they do honestly. People should buy cars for what they have, not based on what they hope might be added later.
I agree. I can’t think of a problem in a car I’ve owned that an OTA would fix. I was worried I’d be missing out on my Leaf vs the Model 3, but in 5 years I’ve never missed having OTAs, things have been working fine.
My car just came with blind spot warning lights in the mirrors. They’ve worked flawlessly since 2019, didn’t need to wait for an OTA update. (Although I’m very glad Tesla added a solution for their cars).
For me, it’s not about fixing issues. I really love the OTA updates on my Tesla more than I thought I would. I get an update about every 2 weeks for the past year I’ve owned it, and they very commonly include nice new features. It keeps things fresh and fun and prevents me from getting bored of the car.
That’s a good point. Many Tesla drivers want to have the latest and greatest tech so OTA updates probably serves that base well. Personally, I prefer a more boring car where nothing changes and my muscle memory and physical buttons keep things repetitive and easy.
Automatic OTA updates actually are a net negative for Teslas for me.
I don’t trust Musk’s company to not make things worse over some petty thing. Look what he did to Twitter.
If I buy a car, I want some assurance that its software will always be at least as well-designed as it was when I bought it. I don’t have that assurance with Tesla.
What happened to Twitter? I’ve been in it 10+ years and now I can edit typos? They fixed my one complaint/missing feature…
I’ve enjoyed it? What’s supposed to be getting worse?
Adding Apple Music was big for me. They let me customize where I put the video feed from the camera which annoyed me a lot, Joe Mode fucking rules with small kids, and FSD has gone from driving like a drunk scared teenager to being my default on anything over 20 miles.
People said the same thing about cell phones, and now I let my iPhone auto update at night (17.1.1 tonight!) and now I let my car patch at home. I can’t really think of any major regressions?
And it’s going to remain that way at least until Audi PPE launches. Even then, the Q6 is a bit big.
Personally I’d be in the market for a car with the exterior dimensions of an A3 with the interior of an A4. I’m annoyed that it looks like I’ll have to wait for a long time.
Q4 is 5 inches wider and 4 inches longer than the A3.
Compared to the A4 it’s 3 inches wider but 4 inches shorter.
So it sorta fits in between the two, exterior dimension wise, if you don’t mind the extra width. And it’s got more functional interior space than an A4
I can’t understand why Kia isn’t bringing the EV5 to the US. It’s the size of vehicle that sells the most outside of trucks. People buy RAV4s, CRVs, Foresters, Escapes, etc in insane quantities and this is squarely in that size range. It’s more roomy and open than my EV6 and we’d probably have bought the EV5 if it was available.
Just look at the demand for the Volvo EX30 and that’s a tiny car, but priced well. If they brought this bigger, but not big, car to the US at the same price it would clean house and sell as many as they could produce
Apparently they don’t have plans to bring it here. They launched it in an ultra competitive Chinese market instead of choosing to dominate the US market and convert untold quantities of EV buyers. So stupid IMO
This is pretty confusing. I would love to find out directly why they are holding off. There must be some market research or financial calculation that is getting them to NO.
The Vega received praise and awards at its introduction, including 1971 Motor Trend Car of the Year.[3] Subsequently, the car became widely known for a range of problems related to its engineering,[4] reliability,[5] safety,[6][7] propensity to rust, and engine durability. Despite a series of recalls and design upgrades, the Vega’s problems tarnished both its own as well as General Motors’ reputation.
There are different types of EVs. There will likely be a large demand for electric delivery vans as companies convert their fleets. Demand for small city cars will be slower as individual households decide when it’s worth such a big purchase. Demand for big pickup trucks is kind of low in general, moreso for electric ones.
So in one article we have VW cutting production due to lack of demand for EVs
Hyundai and Kia are saying there is strong demand for EVs
Interesting 🤔
Because VW produced shit ev’s. Owned one… never again from VW.
e-GMP is clearly the best EV platform amongst legacy auto.
MEB platform is straight up ass.
Once they fix all the ICCU issues and add OTA.
ICCU issues appear to be pretty much fixed (outside occasional fluke failures as you’d expect in any car). And I don’t think the average consumer cares about getting frequent OTAs as much as you think they do honestly. People should buy cars for what they have, not based on what they hope might be added later.
Feature OTAs are good but far from necessary.
I agree. I can’t think of a problem in a car I’ve owned that an OTA would fix. I was worried I’d be missing out on my Leaf vs the Model 3, but in 5 years I’ve never missed having OTAs, things have been working fine.
OTA added camera view when activating the turn signal on my model y
I really appreciated that
My car just came with blind spot warning lights in the mirrors. They’ve worked flawlessly since 2019, didn’t need to wait for an OTA update. (Although I’m very glad Tesla added a solution for their cars).
For me, it’s not about fixing issues. I really love the OTA updates on my Tesla more than I thought I would. I get an update about every 2 weeks for the past year I’ve owned it, and they very commonly include nice new features. It keeps things fresh and fun and prevents me from getting bored of the car.
That’s a good point. Many Tesla drivers want to have the latest and greatest tech so OTA updates probably serves that base well. Personally, I prefer a more boring car where nothing changes and my muscle memory and physical buttons keep things repetitive and easy.
Automatic OTA updates actually are a net negative for Teslas for me.
I don’t trust Musk’s company to not make things worse over some petty thing. Look what he did to Twitter.
If I buy a car, I want some assurance that its software will always be at least as well-designed as it was when I bought it. I don’t have that assurance with Tesla.
What happened to Twitter? I’ve been in it 10+ years and now I can edit typos? They fixed my one complaint/missing feature…
I’ve enjoyed it? What’s supposed to be getting worse?
Adding Apple Music was big for me. They let me customize where I put the video feed from the camera which annoyed me a lot, Joe Mode fucking rules with small kids, and FSD has gone from driving like a drunk scared teenager to being my default on anything over 20 miles.
People said the same thing about cell phones, and now I let my iPhone auto update at night (17.1.1 tonight!) and now I let my car patch at home. I can’t really think of any major regressions?
And it’s going to remain that way at least until Audi PPE launches. Even then, the Q6 is a bit big.
Personally I’d be in the market for a car with the exterior dimensions of an A3 with the interior of an A4. I’m annoyed that it looks like I’ll have to wait for a long time.
Q4 is 5 inches wider and 4 inches longer than the A3.
Compared to the A4 it’s 3 inches wider but 4 inches shorter.
So it sorta fits in between the two, exterior dimension wise, if you don’t mind the extra width. And it’s got more functional interior space than an A4
They have done really well with it, and it’s supporting three brands with Genesis included. Great investment
Because their products are not price competitive.
Because their products are price competitive.
I can’t understand why Kia isn’t bringing the EV5 to the US. It’s the size of vehicle that sells the most outside of trucks. People buy RAV4s, CRVs, Foresters, Escapes, etc in insane quantities and this is squarely in that size range. It’s more roomy and open than my EV6 and we’d probably have bought the EV5 if it was available.
Just look at the demand for the Volvo EX30 and that’s a tiny car, but priced well. If they brought this bigger, but not big, car to the US at the same price it would clean house and sell as many as they could produce
Just a matter of time maybe?
Apparently they don’t have plans to bring it here. They launched it in an ultra competitive Chinese market instead of choosing to dominate the US market and convert untold quantities of EV buyers. So stupid IMO
This is pretty confusing. I would love to find out directly why they are holding off. There must be some market research or financial calculation that is getting them to NO.
This is the correct response. I’m in the market but I need the price under $35k for new and $25k for used, not a ton of selection.
HI5 with 15K miles can be had for $27K
Except Volkswagen outsells both Hyundai and Kia when it comes to BEVs by a significant margin.
The ID4 was/is a disaster.
It is the Chevy Vaga of the EV world.
Well you won’t find a market for 20,000 dollar bikes, but you will find one for 500 dollar ones
There are different types of EVs. There will likely be a large demand for electric delivery vans as companies convert their fleets. Demand for small city cars will be slower as individual households decide when it’s worth such a big purchase. Demand for big pickup trucks is kind of low in general, moreso for electric ones.