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I mean, I had to print a label on my car for months during Covid after getting a used car cause plates were so backed up. Maybe they can do that for now.
As I understand it, USA labor law still allows sympathy strikes under two conditions: 1) employer refuses to collectively bargain with another union and 2) abnormally dangerous working conditions. However, most collective bargaining agreements have contractual no-strike clause language in them to prohibit a union from participating in a situation #1 sympathy strike on behalf of another union.
The whole concept of sympathy strikes is really weird to me. My country (Netherlands) does not have them as far as I’m aware.
In this case PostNord has no real competition, but take for example the extrusion company that supplies to Giga Berlin. It’s CEO basically said Tesla is already moving to getting suppliers outside of Sweden. Which may mean that the company is losing money and needs to lay off part of the workforce.
Back in 1998 100% of all union members working in Denmark’s private sector went on strike, and the non union members that tried to go to work was “encourage” to stay at home, by the not so friendly looking union members, that would physical block any entrench to their place of work.
People stayed home for 11 days and it was an absolute shit show but we got what we wanted, simply because the state of Denmark was about to go belly up.
What was it they wanted
It works because Sweden culturally values social consensus much more than we do in the middle part of Europe (lived in Germany, Sweden, Belgium*, UK for a decade each [*Belgium not quite as long]).
Germany has different, more restrictive rules, around sympathy strikes than Sweden - so … you can’t compare the two countries on what workers legally can do and can’t.
Sympathy strikes happen regularly in construction though, even in America. Basically if the customer is doing something bad to one union shop, the others will show their support.
I was part of one a long time ago. The client company was refusing to deal with a complaint from one contractor. So one day all the other contractors took a day off. Just one day, but the whole project shut down. The union paid me for the day off, and the client decided to move on the outstanding issue. The whole thing though is that it shouldn’t need to become a big enough deal that news services take notice. Give a warning shot, if you will, not a major disruption for anyone involved.
As I understand it, USA labor law still allows sympathy strikes under two conditions: 1) employer refuses to collectively bargain with another union and 2) abnormally dangerous working conditions. However, most collective bargaining agreements have contractual no-strike clause language in them to prohibit a union from participating in a situation #1 sympathy strike on behalf of another union.
As I understand it, USA labor law still allows sympathy strikes under two conditions: 1) employer refuses to collectively bargain with another union and 2) abnormally dangerous working conditions. However, most collective bargaining agreements have contractual no-strike clause language in them to prohibit a union from participating in a situation #1 sympathy strike on behalf of another union.
Comments from a Tesla worker there:
“Why is nobody listening to us who work at Tesla? You read that 130 car mechanics have gone on strike. The fact is that no one in Örebro has gone on strike at all.
“Are we afraid? Absolutely not for our employer. Are we afraid of IF Metall? Yes, we are afraid of the union. I have received threats of dismissal from A-kassa. They have written that I am a traitor who does not stand up for my colleagues, etc.
“I enjoy my job. In fact, Tesla is the best employer I have ever had. I used to work at another workshop that had a collective agreement, where we were much worse off, which is why I chose Tesla.
“I chose Tesla because I want to be part of and contribute to a greener transition. Tesla is the car company that is responsible for the largest part of the green transition in Sweden, and I’m proud of it.
“Why does IF Metall continue to threaten us all the time just because we democratically choose not to have a collective agreement? It is actually us service technicians (not car mechanics) who do not want a collective agreement.
“The union threatens not to clean our facilities. Are we then to work in dirt and misery? Is it IF Metall’s agenda to make sure we feel bad at work? If Metall and their LO chairman, who thinks it is better that we are unemployed than that we are better off without a collective agreement.
“Let us 137 service technicians vote on a collective agreement instead. Let democracy have its way. Is it the case that democracy does not exist in Sweden and in the trade unions anymore?”
Teslarati? Sounds neutral 🤡
KoolAid is delicious.
“The union threatens not to clean our facilities. Are we then to work in dirt and misery? Is it IF Metall’s agenda to make sure we feel bad at work? If Metall and their LO chairman, who thinks it is better that we are unemployed than that we are better off without a collective agreement.
I mean they can clean themselves or have Tesla hire non-union workers to clean. I thought Tesla had great working conditions and doesn’t need unions. How come they can’t get their workshops cleaned?
Source
Your source is a Tesla fan blog. That’s not a source.
So, it’s not the actual people ? Is the blog “Lying” and making up the content?
They are the top hits under google news. If you don’t think google news feed is wrong, take it up with Google. They seem to report Tesla news good or bad and include citations/ links to their Swedish news sources and opinion pieces. Seems neutral. But u r free to show better news source and l why it’s wrong. Don’t just say “ Fake News” like some Trump supporter.
Lol dude, I use Google news every day, and it provides absolutely shit sources on the regular. They run out of legit news sources, they’ll fill in space with nearly anything. Just random click farming blogs written by AI if they need to.
Google News doesn’t ensure legitimacy.
Yeah dude, this Reuters article came from Google news. Obviously this Reuters is just another “shitty” illegitimate, random fake-news click farming pro-Tesla blog too since it didn’t put out pro-union story. Thanks so for clearing that up 🙄🙄
Idk if one guy is a reliable source.
Pretty much all other Swedish sources says that the big majority have gone on strike.
Maybe the boy those in Örebro didn’t go on strike I guess. If it’s true.
This article doesn’t seem to understand that the reason for why the union is trying to get a CBA is because the employees specifically asked for one.
Why does IF Metall continue to threaten us all the time just because we democratically choose not to have a collective agreement? It is actually us service technicians (not car mechanics) who do not want a collective agreement.
amazing bit of twisted backwards logic - the only reason people would specifically not want a cba is if their employer threatens them with some repercussions, which is like the biggest reason to have a cba
Tesla should just sign a CBA or pull out of Sweden if they don’t want to be burdened by the unions there. It’s not worth the bad press. Tesla probably has some internal policy of not giving in to unions because they’ve seen how the American unions have crippled GM, Ford, and Chrysler over the past several decades, and even though Swedish unions are different than American unions, they’re still unions.
Tesla should just pull out
You mean like how your father should have pulled out?
US unions didn’t ‘cripple’ US car companies, they just have to treat workers decently. It’s a weird US management obsession that they should be allowed to fire people with no notice or reason, underpay, have unsafe working conditions, etc., and workers should just accept those terrible terms.
all international automakers who are not unionized in the us are unionized nearly everywhere else they have factories.
it’s almost like it’s not about the unions at all …
I wonder why foreign automakers with great industrial relations with their unions (aka the Germans) always choose to build their U.S. factories in the non-unionized South? When’s the last time a foreign automaker chose to open their U.S. plant in a strong union state?
honest question: are there any non-big-3 us factories that are unionized?
Honda I know isn’t union, and it’s because Honda gives their workers similar treatment to union shops. Management got integrity or something. Every so often the unions go in and test the waters, the Honda workers say no need, we’re already treated well, and the union goes away.
Unions mostly exist as a response to shitty management. That and as a hiring hall, but that concept doesn’t apply to factory work. Construction contract work is where that is useful.
None that I know of. Way back in the 70’s WV opened a union factory in Pennsylvania. It was infamously bad.
Tesla needs to read the room, this is not going to fly in Sweden.
Update: it did fly in Sweden
Yep. Telsa is getting its plates, and thats all that they care about.
Oh… and also not signing Any CBA. There’s that too.
Welp Judge just ruled in favor of Tesla
lol. Fat man yells at the kids on his lawn.
To be fair, this could just be PostNord being its usual crappy self…
In my experience PostNord deliveries are random at best. It’s probably stuck in an infinite loop between distribution centers.
How deep is Tesla going to dig their own grave? Imaging creating this mess just because you don’t want to provide a good work environment for 130 workers in a market where you sell over 10000 cars a year.
It’s even worse, this thing get picked up by press and unions in all over the EU and literally puts Tesla on target for these groups. Tesla has been under the radar for years with their none unionized workforce in the EU, now these stuff gets brought up just because of 130 Tesla workers in sweden.Who says they don’t have a good work environment? I’ve seen no proof in either direction.
The Tesla workers weren’t the ones who called the strike. It was the union itself who randomly demanded a bargaining agreement when there seemed to be nothing wrong or missing from their workers’ employment.
They have consistently elevated counts of workplace accidents, by as much as a factor of ten compared to other automotive manufacturers. Theres also a pretty high number of environmental incidents which may also be hazardous to longterm health of employees. Its not just about getting a decent wage.
This has nothing to do with their German factory. This is about workers in Sweden.
And where’s your source that they have ten times as many accidents and have many environmental accidents detrimental to the workers’ health?
This has nothing to do with their German factory
https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/tesla-gruenheide-arbeitsunfaelle-umwelt-100.html
Ill admit I misremembered - its just 3x as many incidents. Still not good, especially as these are only the ones they had to report, where people died or were unable to work for more than three days. And while these numbers are for the german factory, the environment is the same. Same company, same lack of unionisation, same structure. So if the numbers are different, its not cause Tesla is a better place to work at in Sweden.
The latter part of your question is weird though - I said theres more environmental incidents, which may have an effect on worker health. That was conjecture on my part and a reason why more protection (ie via unionisation) is important. If theres a leak in a tank full of paint, its an environmental hazard and a health hazard, even if workers arent immediately unable to work. Fumes arent great for lungs, liver, kidneys… And thats just one example of what could go wrong…
Who says they don’t have a good work environment?
Tesla does, by claiming their workers have better conditions than the union mandated minimums, while refusing to join the union agreements.
That logic makes zero sense.
If they have good work environments and pay better than competitors with CBAs already, why not simply formalize it in a CBA? An agreement is just a baseline. It doesn’t set a top, only a bottom, and if you’re already above the bottom then it won’t affect you as a company in the least.
The stakes are not as low as 130 Swedish mechanics. The stakes are getting any collective bargaining through in Europe at all which would cause a cascade of similar actions. It is containment of organized labour demands internationally. Failure here would be catastrophic for Musk’s managerial style which seems to be “fly by night / make it work or else” kinda horseshit. The exact thing collective bargaining protects against.
Union critics love to make this a question purely about wage but I’m willing to bet it has way more to do with working conditions and curbing erratic management.
Um an awful lot of us in Europe really don’t like unions. In France they are a PITA. A lot of workers are cheering on Tesla here. Sweden is one of those rare countries where the government will collude with unions to destroy a private company. Many other EU countries there is more of an acrimonious relationship between government and unions.
Phillip.
Awful is a great word, every worker in Europe is standing on the shoulders of Unions and their members that fought for their rights, you included.
How deep is Tesla going to dig their own grave?
How exactly are they digging their own grave? The judge saw enough merit in their argument to approve an interim order in their favour regarding the suit.
I said it here before, Tesla is completly destroying their public image in europe.
Reddit ≠ the real world.
Tesla is the best selling EV in the whole of Europe right now (alongside North America), and Sweden (as a stand alone country). It has two spots in the Top 5 alone, and sold more cars to Europe than ever this year. In other words, the demand for Tesla cars in Europe has never been higher.
Just because Reddit has a narrative, does not mean reality/facts agree with it.
Tesla and trashing their public image because their boss hits the ketamine too hard is kind of like peanut butter and jelly.
This is a guy who is upset that he’s losing business for endorsing antisemitic conspiracy theories.
This is a guy who thinks it’s illegal for companies to refuse to give him money for his views and the toxicity on his platform.
He is really that dumb.
Tesla and trashing their public image
Maybe for some.
I like seeing a company stand up to bullying by unions. It improves their image in my view. This subreddit, being wildly in the tank for unions, obviously will disagree and downvote this point of view.
Not really. Musk said that Jewish communities have endorsed anti-white racism, which is precisely true. Groups like the Anti-Defamation League have accepted trendy “antiracism” ideology, which explicitly endorses (and indeed requires) anti-white racism. Then they try to re-define the word “racism” to exclude racism against whites. But go ahead and parrot the “Musk is antisemitic” narrative if you want.
The Apartheid Defense League is a bunch of white people who use Judaism and the martyrdom of Holocaust victims to mask their bigotry against Arabs and non-white Jews.
Imagine being dumb to equate anti racism with anti white 🤦♂️
Labor solidarity is a beautiful thing.
People should really stop comparing Swedish work laws to the us in this discussion as US workers are practically slaves
A good comparison might be what Drew Barrymore did during the writers strike in the US.
I work 40-48hrs each weak and I’m refused full-time status and benefits because “their isn’t an open position.” I also work for a company that starts with a K where 14% of its employees have experienced some form of homelessness in the past years despite record high profit margins
I’d argue some literally are! There’s an awful lot of prison labor in the US, and that’s a system that is kind of hard to view as anything less than slave labor. It’s not the slavery of the recent past, but it’s certainly no less slavery than what was common in the Roman empire.
at least we get a peek into how other countries deal with this:. The general courts include forty-eight district courts (tingsrätt), six courts of appeal (hovrätt) and one Supreme Court (Högsta domstolen).
dont know if they have stays but this probably will work through their courts.
IF metall also has enough money dedicated to pay the striking workers for 500 years. They are being payed 130% salary atm to compensate for vacation leave and pension. Get out or comply!
The head of the finance union Finansförbundet (also a woman btw) also recently stated that they support IF Metall in their strike. They haven’t threatened any actions yet, but that’s the one that broke Toys R Us back in the day. If this union decides to blockade Tesla, they would need to wheelbarrow cash in order to do any business, because the workers won’t process their bank transactions.
I’m more curious why they target only Tesla. Is Tesla license plate special enough so that their workers refuse to deliver.
Tesla is being targeted because they refuse to sign a CBA. The reason why even the postal workers are striking against them is mainly that they brought in strike breakers, a massively stupid move by Tesla.
“We don’t want to work with unions, so we’re going to bring in an existential threat to the existence of the the labor system that’s made Sweden prosperous and successful k thx bye” - Elon, probably
Also, as an American, I’m really wondering how many of these people defending Tesla here are my countrymen who can’t wrap their heads around the idea some countries work differently than others
Americans have been force fed anti union propaganda for so long that they can’t see things being different in other countries. On top of that, if anything American, in this case a company, is in trouble overseas the patriotism gene kicks in.
Because they aren’t signing the CBA.
Everybody else has one already.
In this case, as it will be between a company and a government agency, the court would be Förvaltningsrätten (the administrative court). There are twelve of them, four administrative courts of appeals (Kammarrätten) and one supreme administrative court (Högsta förvaltningsdomstolen).
Sweden also has the prime minister that was voted out the fastest in history (its a woman!!!).
