When I was a kid in middle america in the 80s, the lack of american involvement had nothing to do with Europe. Americans hated the game. I remember the adults always telling me it isnt a sport. and its so boring, and play a real sport. It was also an immigrant sport and this is america. you play an american sport. Heck, there are still multitudes of americans who believe this today. there is just a large enough echo chamber that we dont have to acknowledge it.

I dont blame europeans at all for their “prove it” attitude. we have had generations to embrace the sport. now that it is finally happening, our young people need to realize that this is a calcified problem that we created.

You would think with the American fan base there would be a bias to play Americans more. I don’t think there’s prejudice against them, they’re just not that good.

He was a thrill to watch and I’d reckon he def helped change some opinions around US players at the time with the likes of Pulisic or McKennie continuing to this day.

This has to be a joke? He was one of the worst players in our team, and we were shit last year.

Ready for downvotes?

Yea we are bad, very bad. We don’t play well together, way to many back passes, horrible in front of goal, don’t put teams to the sword that we should, management and coaching is garbage, BUT we will get good at this sport, very good. Then we will dominate.

Charlie Davies is a bellend

I wouldn’t say there is a stereotype about the players at all, apart from not producing as much talent as they probably could. If you’re good enough you’re good enough, the PL has players from all over the world.

About the fans and analysis though…

Still waiting for a really top US player. I thought we’d have seen one by now.

I am a USSF coach- and I can firmly say how surprised I was to see the USSF revamp their youth ways - to emulate Europe.

We no longer focus on “do 29 laps and sprint everywhere”… no more “boot it up field and hope”

It’s “how well can you manage the ball under pressure” … “how well can you as a team technically play”…

There’s a huge change. It’s just began recently and hopefully in years to come it will produce talent.

You dont know where im from dawg

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There’s stereotypes in the media for sure. Hard to say if there’s any active stereotypes or prejudice against US players in the management and coaching world since most people are not in it.

However, you have to think that if you’re good enough then you’ll play. Every player, regardless of nationality, has to fight for their place and the US just don’t produce world class players for the very top level.

I wouldn’t say much at all tbh. There’s a US International playing for Crystal Palace Today and most probably don’t even know that he is. Pulisic was considered decent when Chelsea signed him. Tyler Adams had interest in the Summer. Dempsey, McBride etc were always considered to be solid Premier League players. Not to mention the amount of quality GK’s we’ve seen.

Was there ever really much noise about players from the US to begin with though? I’d say it’s been more around owners and managers. The media have had digs at the likes of Lerner, Kroenke, Boehly etc and Bob Bradley had a lot surrounding him. The players? Not so much…

Just can’t see them producing a top, top player as other sports are too popular there. Always groan when people say “if they just focused on ___ they’d be the best in the world” when it comes to US, China etc because it’s not that simple

All the infrastructure in the world won’t make kids want to play football, there’s more money in other sports in America and importantly they have no idols like the big footballing countries. Smaller places with less infrastructure like Uruguay will produce more top talents purely because football is part of their history and culture, they have legends to look up to and a reputation too - until US somehow gets that in football they will hit a ceiling no matter how much money they invest imo

Football has always had a limited fanbase in the US because of competition with baseball, basketball, hockey, and American football. As far as high school sports are concerned, it’s on par with volleyball and tennis and lacrosse and field hockey.

There will always be a perceived gap between European football and American (soccer). We don’t have professional sponsorship of youth clubs or academies dedicated to training players. We don’t have a nationally organized youth program. We are not set up on the top level to be capable of promotion/relegation. American born players don’t necessarily get worldwide exposure because our culture doesn’t promote the game as much as it could.

Now, don’t misunderstand me. Fans of soccer in the US are passionate. Rivalries are intense. But the general opinion of the American game is that we do it wrong. That stigma sometimes makes it difficult for a player with dual citizenship to choose the USMNT.

Banter mostly. I will say Pulisic kinda didn’t do Americans any favors when he was critical of Tucel and all his father drama and the book he wrote.