Messaging is still important, and showing voters that you’ll actually vote for something when Republicans vote it down. If we dismissed all statements that had no political feasibility there’d be a number of progressive politicians who’d barely talk.
And like I said, that’s okay! It isn’t a dig at Progressives. It’s actually exactly what they need to do to pull the party left.
On the other hand, if they know that the opposition will defeat it, they can propose anything even if they would oppose it in actually without a second thought.
And if that’s the case, it could backfire if the opposition knows that the proposing party doesn’t really want it, they could give them some votes for it in battleground districts and make the proposing party vote to defeat it’s own proposal.
I am aware of a case where this happened and backfired. Mussolini didn’t want Ethiopia to join the League of Nations back in the period between WW1 and 2 because he intended to invade them, but was playing politics with France and Britain. France supported Ethiopia joining while Britain opposed it, so Italy declared support for Ethiopia joining to look good with France while expecting Britain to succeed in blocking them from joining. Instead, Britain backed down when they saw Italy throw in support, so Ethiopia was accepted into the League of Nations. Which didn’t do them much good because Mussolini invaded anyways and the League didn’t do anything other than a few sanctions followed by falling apart once they lost all credibility.
Because the voters aren’t holding their elected officials accountable. People should be following bills like this and voting against politicians that don’t support it. Then holding the ones that said they support it accountable if they don’t follow through (after fully understanding why they didn’t/couldn’t).
People on here call this pandering. Good. Saying that they will do things that benefit society is a good thing. Maybe the problem is with the party that campaigns and the people who give them votes on a platform of hurting society.
Check the news cycle. Something like this pops up every once in a while and nothing ever happens. No one wants this passed, they just wait till we forget about it.
There’s at least 5 representatives that want it passed, as it was proposed and sponsored. The speaker is free to bring any proposal to a vote, but instead it will die in a pile on his desk. Pretty easy to see why nothing happens.
Maybe so, but at least they can say they tried to. It’s not going anywhere because conservatives will do everything they can to get it shot down. Even the medical care Obama was miraculously able to get through is a completed gutted version from what it was supposed to be because of conservatives.
Not going anywhere and they know it. Pretty much exists for grandstanding purposes in the 24 election.
Well, it’s better than total inaction.
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Messaging is still important, and showing voters that you’ll actually vote for something when Republicans vote it down. If we dismissed all statements that had no political feasibility there’d be a number of progressive politicians who’d barely talk.
And like I said, that’s okay! It isn’t a dig at Progressives. It’s actually exactly what they need to do to pull the party left.
On the other hand, if they know that the opposition will defeat it, they can propose anything even if they would oppose it in actually without a second thought.
And if that’s the case, it could backfire if the opposition knows that the proposing party doesn’t really want it, they could give them some votes for it in battleground districts and make the proposing party vote to defeat it’s own proposal.
Fair point. I’m curious, do you know of anywhere this has happened/is happening?
I am aware of a case where this happened and backfired. Mussolini didn’t want Ethiopia to join the League of Nations back in the period between WW1 and 2 because he intended to invade them, but was playing politics with France and Britain. France supported Ethiopia joining while Britain opposed it, so Italy declared support for Ethiopia joining to look good with France while expecting Britain to succeed in blocking them from joining. Instead, Britain backed down when they saw Italy throw in support, so Ethiopia was accepted into the League of Nations. Which didn’t do them much good because Mussolini invaded anyways and the League didn’t do anything other than a few sanctions followed by falling apart once they lost all credibility.
Do you know why it’s not going anywhere? Any guesses?
Because the voters aren’t holding their elected officials accountable. People should be following bills like this and voting against politicians that don’t support it. Then holding the ones that said they support it accountable if they don’t follow through (after fully understanding why they didn’t/couldn’t).
People on here call this pandering. Good. Saying that they will do things that benefit society is a good thing. Maybe the problem is with the party that campaigns and the people who give them votes on a platform of hurting society.
Check the news cycle. Something like this pops up every once in a while and nothing ever happens. No one wants this passed, they just wait till we forget about it.
There’s at least 5 representatives that want it passed, as it was proposed and sponsored. The speaker is free to bring any proposal to a vote, but instead it will die in a pile on his desk. Pretty easy to see why nothing happens.
This is the kind of bill oppositions always propose, but never prioritize once they’re in government.
Maybe so, but at least they can say they tried to. It’s not going anywhere because conservatives will do everything they can to get it shot down. Even the medical care Obama was miraculously able to get through is a completed gutted version from what it was supposed to be because of conservatives.
Saying they tried is the whole point. All too often, bills like this just don’t get reintroduced once the party is in power, though.
It’s all about show.
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