There’s clearly a lean to the left side of things in Lemmy instances, with many people attacking people at the right.

In some cases regarding the climate crisis, there’s people blaming it on capitalism while hinting that communism/socialism are the solution to the climate crisis, because somehow having the state controlling the entire economy will lead to stop CO2 emissions.

A bit from the article:

The best way to protect the environment is to get rich. That way, there is enough money not only to meet the needs of ordinary people, but also to pay for cleaner power plants and better water-treatment facilities. Since capitalism is the best way to create wealth, humanity should stick with it.

Not the first time I’ve heard about this concept, and the more i look into the world the more I agree with it. Being green is kind of a luxury that not many people can afford, and the poorer people are the less they can afford green technology.

  • psud@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    1 year ago

    And yet the United States with its unfettered capitalism has failed to be a world leader in environmentalism

    That honour goes to Nordic and European social democracies

    Sure you need to be sufficiently wealthy, but you also need to restrict capital so companies can not pollute, and have social policies to pay for the those solutions the market will not supply

    • traveler01@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      17·
      1 year ago

      The US is a bad example, and still is a greater example than the communist/socialist countries provided.

      These nordic countries are pretty good example of how you can have capitalism with a great welfare state, without going socialist/communist. My guess is their main difference is that they don’t allow the richer companies to lobby on politicians, or at-least not as much as the US does.

      • psud@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        1 year ago

        The US — poster child for capitalism, creator of regulatory capture for ultimate best capitalism — is a poor example of a capitalist country?

        Capitalism + regulation + welfare is the definition of socialism

        Capitalism with strong regulation is so good that the Soviet Union used it; China uses it

        • traveler01@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          33·
          1 year ago

          Capitalism with strong regulation is so good that the Soviet Union used it; China uses it

          Capitalism with strong regulation… the best example would be the nordic countries you believe are socialist.

          • psud@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            Sure, I was using the examples I used to demonstrate that even revolutionary communism isn’t opposite to capitalism

      • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
        3·
        1 year ago

        You just mentioned some of the most socialist countries. The welfare state is literally a form of socialism.

        That an entire political party has been deluded into thinking other people in their own class are the enemy and are the reason they’re poor and not simply the wealthy being the reason, is the problem with the US. Democratic Party isn’t the answer, but they’re not as much of the cause as the GOP, which has simply co-opted hate into their repertoire as well. The problem in the US, is there’s a very vocal hateful minority that care about voting more than the apathetic, silent majority.