Please tell me which of these you wouldn’t feasibly get through a well balanced plant based diet?
See, the onus is on you. You want to come up with a diet that has never in the history of the human race been used to create and maintain a society. You need to come up with a diet plan that includes all of the nutrients I mentioned in ample amounts. Present it to us so we can laugh at it and point out it’s flaws. We know diets that include meat work. Because those diets are the reason you are here.
fortified foods
Like dog food?
see this thoroughly debunked
Then you will have no problem debunking it then?
vitamin C greatly enhances absorption of non-heme iron
Iron is one of the biggest issues with plant based diets in women. Especially those giving birth. My wife’s own nurse told us a story after my wife gave birth. How they were trying to get the iron levels to rise in a woman who lost lots of blood but would not take a blood transfusion (for religious reasons). They tried supplements, spinach. Didn’t work. Hours after eating liver her iron levels went right up where they needed to be.
Iron absorption from plants is trash. A few people do have the ability to absorb more iron or vitamin A from plants but many can’t at all. Thats why you see vegan children all having those huge glasses. Their eyes went to shit from no nutrition.
I’m not coming up with anything. I saw that the majority of dieticians agree that with proper planning, a plant based diet is healthy, so I put the time into planning a diet that works for me. There’s nothing on your list that I’m not getting from non-animal sources.
That was not a debunking in the least. That was a 19 minute youtube advertisement for vegan supplements. It completely ignores the countless vegans who tried for years and ended up with severe health problems because absorption rate Varies from person to person. ESPECIALLY VITAMIN A
You can eat dog food and stuff your mouth with supplements all you want i’m gonna enjoy, steak, fish, eggs and enjoy being healthy strong, fertile and happy.
Feel free to link a study attributing vegan diets and glasses if you would like to back up your anecdotal claim.
Feel free to show me a society that produces healthy fertile offspring on a strict vegan diet. There aren’t enough long term fertile vegans to study because like 80% of vegans give up. There are almost no multi generational vegans
Your 80% statistic has also been debunked. The number includes vegetarians, and the number one motivation cited was health. Saying people quit diets is not exactly groundbreaking news.
Anyway, I’ll also enjoy being healthy, strong, fertile and happy while also being vegan.
You made the blanket claim that humans need to eat animal products, yet every time you mention a necessary nutrient I provide non-animal sources, and your copy-paste statistics are blatantly misleading at best.
You keep saying that humans don’t need animal products but have yet to provide a example society who have not consumed animal products. Your Vegan brain fog has made it impossible for you to argue in good faith and likely unable to reproduce.
I appreciate the concern, but I’ve already got one kid with another on the way.
My claim was that a plant-based (no animal products) diet can be nutritionally complete. I’m backing that claim up by citing non-animal sources of nutrients.
You told me I’m incapable of arguing in good faith in the same sentence as an ad hominem. You’re not just trolling me, are you?
My claim was that a plant-based (no animal products) diet can be nutritionally complete. I’m backing that claim up by citing non-animal sources of nutrients.
And my point is that we don’t define a rule by stray data points. Even if one person manages to survive on a unnatural diet like a vegan diet without significant problems it does not make it nutritionally complete, or healthy.
There is no evidence you can produce a healthy society without animal products. Because it’s never been done. Every single body builder (usually whey protein when they started), every single Olympic athlete has eatin meat. You may be able to find 1 who is lying and said they were born vegan. I think I saw 1 athlete who said that but I don’t buy it and even 1 doesn’t disapprove the rule. Nearly if not every single high performance individual and society on the planet was built eating animals.
No amount of 20 year old made youtube videos has shown otherwise. No fat Harvard grad clinging to bad meta analysis science has shown meat to shorten a life with actual observational science. Because it doesn’t
See, the onus is on you. You want to come up with a diet that has never in the history of the human race been used to create and maintain a society. You need to come up with a diet plan that includes all of the nutrients I mentioned in ample amounts. Present it to us so we can laugh at it and point out it’s flaws. We know diets that include meat work. Because those diets are the reason you are here.
Like dog food?
Then you will have no problem debunking it then?
Iron is one of the biggest issues with plant based diets in women. Especially those giving birth. My wife’s own nurse told us a story after my wife gave birth. How they were trying to get the iron levels to rise in a woman who lost lots of blood but would not take a blood transfusion (for religious reasons). They tried supplements, spinach. Didn’t work. Hours after eating liver her iron levels went right up where they needed to be.
Iron absorption from plants is trash. A few people do have the ability to absorb more iron or vitamin A from plants but many can’t at all. Thats why you see vegan children all having those huge glasses. Their eyes went to shit from no nutrition.
I’m not coming up with anything. I saw that the majority of dieticians agree that with proper planning, a plant based diet is healthy, so I put the time into planning a diet that works for me. There’s nothing on your list that I’m not getting from non-animal sources.
Here’s a debunk of the list with sources: https://youtu.be/xhEstYpyhvc.
Dog food? Lol. Breakfast cereals, plant milks and breads are examples of fortified foods.
Here’s a study to back up what I said about iron absorption. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6940487/
Feel free to link a study attributing vegan diets and glasses if you would like to back up your anecdotal claim.
That was not a debunking in the least. That was a 19 minute youtube advertisement for vegan supplements. It completely ignores the countless vegans who tried for years and ended up with severe health problems because absorption rate Varies from person to person. ESPECIALLY VITAMIN A
You can eat dog food and stuff your mouth with supplements all you want i’m gonna enjoy, steak, fish, eggs and enjoy being healthy strong, fertile and happy.
Feel free to show me a society that produces healthy fertile offspring on a strict vegan diet. There aren’t enough long term fertile vegans to study because like 80% of vegans give up. There are almost no multi generational vegans
You can get plenty of beta-carotine as well as preformed vitamin A on a plant based diet: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/vitamin-a/.
Your 80% statistic has also been debunked. The number includes vegetarians, and the number one motivation cited was health. Saying people quit diets is not exactly groundbreaking news.
Anyway, I’ll also enjoy being healthy, strong, fertile and happy while also being vegan.
Not true for all people period end of story as peer reviewed papers show. I don’t get why you npc’s keep repeating yourself without resolving points.
Haha. Did you unironically call me an NPC?
You made the blanket claim that humans need to eat animal products, yet every time you mention a necessary nutrient I provide non-animal sources, and your copy-paste statistics are blatantly misleading at best.
You keep saying that humans don’t need animal products but have yet to provide a example society who have not consumed animal products. Your Vegan brain fog has made it impossible for you to argue in good faith and likely unable to reproduce.
I appreciate the concern, but I’ve already got one kid with another on the way.
My claim was that a plant-based (no animal products) diet can be nutritionally complete. I’m backing that claim up by citing non-animal sources of nutrients.
You told me I’m incapable of arguing in good faith in the same sentence as an ad hominem. You’re not just trolling me, are you?
And my point is that we don’t define a rule by stray data points. Even if one person manages to survive on a unnatural diet like a vegan diet without significant problems it does not make it nutritionally complete, or healthy.
There is no evidence you can produce a healthy society without animal products. Because it’s never been done. Every single body builder (usually whey protein when they started), every single Olympic athlete has eatin meat. You may be able to find 1 who is lying and said they were born vegan. I think I saw 1 athlete who said that but I don’t buy it and even 1 doesn’t disapprove the rule. Nearly if not every single high performance individual and society on the planet was built eating animals.
No amount of 20 year old made youtube videos has shown otherwise. No fat Harvard grad clinging to bad meta analysis science has shown meat to shorten a life with actual observational science. Because it doesn’t