Sorry to burst your bubble but drag queens and the trans community didn’t suddenly appear in the 2020s when ultra right wing media decided they were all diddlers. You don’t even need to dig deep. You’ve got surface level, mainstream examples like John Waters and Divine were killing it in the 70s. Shit, Gore Vidal wrote Myra Breckenridge in the 60s and had a movie made of it with Raquel Welch
Plus, if you want a more academic history of sexual expression and gender expression, Foucault and Butler have written plenty. And all their books are old as fuck and talk about people from a long ass time ago
Add onto that, the Catholic Church’s history of child abuse is pretty much always analyzed across the latter half of the 20th century and now the 21st century. When’s the last time you saw someone call out the church over pedophilia by saying, “hey, did you know that Pope Innocent III molested an altar boy in 1203 A.D.”
So yeah naw. Roasting the church harder than drag queens isn’t biased, it isn’t reactionary, and the academic interest isn’t missing.
Something existing and it being mainstream and trendy, where kids are identifying as something to fit in with a peer group, are very different things. Having gender reassignment surgery isn’t like being goth. You can’t just take the makeup off when you decide it doesn’t serve you anymore.
You can’t just walk into a doctors office and say My KiD wAnTs a GeNdEr ChAnGe and get surgery. That’s not how it fucking works. Go educate yourself, your ignorance is palpable.
THE FACTS ABOUT GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE
●Every credible medical organization – representing over 1.3 million doctors in the United States – calls for age-appropriate gender-affirming care for transgender and non-binary people.
●Sexual orientation and gender identity are real concepts recognized by major medical and mental health associations — including the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry — as part of the normal spectrum of human experience.
●“Transition-related” or “gender-affirming” care looks different for every transgender and non-binary person.
●Parents, their kids, and doctors make decisions together, and no medical interventions with permanent consequences happen until a transgender person is old enough to give truly informed consent.
●Gender transition is a personal process that can include changing clothes, names, and hairstyles to fit a person’s gender identity.
Some people take medication, and some do not; some adults have surgeries, and others do not. How someone transitions is their choice, to be made with their family and their doctor.
●Therapists, parents and health care providers work together to determine which changes to make at a given time are in the best interest of the child
●ALL gender-affirming care is:
Age-appropriate
Medically necessary
Supported by all major medical organizations
Made in consultation with medical and mental health professionals AND parents
This video has someone who had surgery at 16 and isn’t happy about it. You can’t take the hard line of “ALL” when people like this exist, unless you’re going to use a No True Scotsman fallacy to dismiss anything that conflicts with your views.
I never said I didn’t trust the AMA. You said “ALL”, in all caps, implying heavily that there are no exceptions to the statements you were making. That’s what I was objecting to. The only thing that certain in the medical field is that everyone who is born will one day die. For everything else, there are exceptions to everting. That’s what I was objecting to. The YouTube video was just a simple and quick example of one person who fell outside your box. Do I really need to show you a peer reviewed study that says a kid made a decision and changed their mind when they grew up? That’s every kid, it’s only a question of the thing they change their mind about.
I’d think someone interested in these types of issues would be more willing to accept that not everyone fits into one standard way things are. Holy fucking christ indeed.
That “ALL” is literally, and simply, defining the guidelines of what gender affirming care is.
You are far too dumb to continue arguing with. If simple reading comprehension is an issue for you, then there is no point arguing about the complexities of gender and identity.
You can’t take the hard line of “ALL” when people like this exist,
I’m not taking the hard line of ‘ALL’, you muppet. I’m taking the same stance as over 1.3 million doctors in this country do: That this is a real problem for many and guidlines need to exist on how to handle it.
Exposing: make (something) visible by uncovering it.
Norms: something that is usual, typical, or standard
Your point seems to be that some teens are harmed because they’re impressionable and make mistakes as a result of being exposed to LGBTQ people in media and their peers. I’m sure there are and most of the time it’ll be typical blunder years of trying to find their identity just like previously mentioned goth phases. It’s also possible a few individuals will make a more dramatic mistake in getting surgery and regret it. That’s a dark reality. What you don’t seem to want to recognize though is that NOT showing LGBTQ people in media or public also harms kids. I would argue far, far more. Suicide rates are much higher amongst queer individuals because of social rejection, being made to feel shame or as other. I bring up the Trevor Project because it’s a national recognizable charity which means it serves a lot of people. As you may know this organization is dedicated to being a lifeline for LGBTQ people in crisis, particularly focused on kids. If you say teens can’t get reassignment surgery some will kill themselves. That is also a dark reality. I suspect, seeing as there’s a national hotline for it, that more kids are at risk being forced into the closet. Most people that make the arguments you’re making just value some lives and not others
Sorry to burst your bubble but drag queens and the trans community didn’t suddenly appear in the 2020s when ultra right wing media decided they were all diddlers. You don’t even need to dig deep. You’ve got surface level, mainstream examples like John Waters and Divine were killing it in the 70s. Shit, Gore Vidal wrote Myra Breckenridge in the 60s and had a movie made of it with Raquel Welch
Plus, if you want a more academic history of sexual expression and gender expression, Foucault and Butler have written plenty. And all their books are old as fuck and talk about people from a long ass time ago
Add onto that, the Catholic Church’s history of child abuse is pretty much always analyzed across the latter half of the 20th century and now the 21st century. When’s the last time you saw someone call out the church over pedophilia by saying, “hey, did you know that Pope Innocent III molested an altar boy in 1203 A.D.”
So yeah naw. Roasting the church harder than drag queens isn’t biased, it isn’t reactionary, and the academic interest isn’t missing.
Something existing and it being mainstream and trendy, where kids are identifying as something to fit in with a peer group, are very different things. Having gender reassignment surgery isn’t like being goth. You can’t just take the makeup off when you decide it doesn’t serve you anymore.
You really don’t understand how any of this works, do you?
You really don’t understand what it’s like to be a kid, do you?
You can’t just walk into a doctors office and say My KiD wAnTs a GeNdEr ChAnGe and get surgery. That’s not how it fucking works. Go educate yourself, your ignorance is palpable.
THE FACTS ABOUT GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE
●Every credible medical organization – representing over 1.3 million doctors in the United States – calls for age-appropriate gender-affirming care for transgender and non-binary people.
●Sexual orientation and gender identity are real concepts recognized by major medical and mental health associations — including the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry — as part of the normal spectrum of human experience.
●“Transition-related” or “gender-affirming” care looks different for every transgender and non-binary person.
●Parents, their kids, and doctors make decisions together, and no medical interventions with permanent consequences happen until a transgender person is old enough to give truly informed consent.
●Gender transition is a personal process that can include changing clothes, names, and hairstyles to fit a person’s gender identity. Some people take medication, and some do not; some adults have surgeries, and others do not. How someone transitions is their choice, to be made with their family and their doctor.
●Therapists, parents and health care providers work together to determine which changes to make at a given time are in the best interest of the child
●ALL gender-affirming care is:
Age-appropriate
Medically necessary
Supported by all major medical organizations
Made in consultation with medical and mental health professionals AND parents
And in many cases, this care is lifesaving!
This video has someone who had surgery at 16 and isn’t happy about it. You can’t take the hard line of “ALL” when people like this exist, unless you’re going to use a No True Scotsman fallacy to dismiss anything that conflicts with your views.
https://youtu.be/dl0LZZFos-g
I’m not going to trust the the AMA, or the APA, or any other accredited major medical institution. But I’ll trust Youtube.
Holy. Fucking. Christ.
I never said I didn’t trust the AMA. You said “ALL”, in all caps, implying heavily that there are no exceptions to the statements you were making. That’s what I was objecting to. The only thing that certain in the medical field is that everyone who is born will one day die. For everything else, there are exceptions to everting. That’s what I was objecting to. The YouTube video was just a simple and quick example of one person who fell outside your box. Do I really need to show you a peer reviewed study that says a kid made a decision and changed their mind when they grew up? That’s every kid, it’s only a question of the thing they change their mind about.
I’d think someone interested in these types of issues would be more willing to accept that not everyone fits into one standard way things are. Holy fucking christ indeed.
That “ALL” is literally, and simply, defining the guidelines of what gender affirming care is.
You are far too dumb to continue arguing with. If simple reading comprehension is an issue for you, then there is no point arguing about the complexities of gender and identity.
You can’t take the hard line of “ALL” when people like this exist,
I’m not taking the hard line of ‘ALL’, you muppet. I’m taking the same stance as over 1.3 million doctors in this country do: That this is a real problem for many and guidlines need to exist on how to handle it.
And no one has ever strayed from guidelines for acceptance, right? No doctor has ever had to admit a mistake, right?
Lol what?? Strayed from guidelines? Those are medical guidelines 🤡
Have you heard of the Trevor Project? You realize that exposing queer kids to traditional “norms” harms individuals right?
I don’t know what you mean by the quote, “exposing”, “norms”, or “harms” in this context.
Exposing: make (something) visible by uncovering it.
Norms: something that is usual, typical, or standard
Your point seems to be that some teens are harmed because they’re impressionable and make mistakes as a result of being exposed to LGBTQ people in media and their peers. I’m sure there are and most of the time it’ll be typical blunder years of trying to find their identity just like previously mentioned goth phases. It’s also possible a few individuals will make a more dramatic mistake in getting surgery and regret it. That’s a dark reality. What you don’t seem to want to recognize though is that NOT showing LGBTQ people in media or public also harms kids. I would argue far, far more. Suicide rates are much higher amongst queer individuals because of social rejection, being made to feel shame or as other. I bring up the Trevor Project because it’s a national recognizable charity which means it serves a lot of people. As you may know this organization is dedicated to being a lifeline for LGBTQ people in crisis, particularly focused on kids. If you say teens can’t get reassignment surgery some will kill themselves. That is also a dark reality. I suspect, seeing as there’s a national hotline for it, that more kids are at risk being forced into the closet. Most people that make the arguments you’re making just value some lives and not others
Here’s some reading if you care: https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2022/
Congrats on your C+ in your intro to formal logic class you took for your one philosophy requirement in college