• Nobody@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Yeah, the polls had Hillary winning easily in 2016. Don’t trust them.

    • EatATaco@lemm.ee
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      6 months ago

      They had her anywhere between a 70-90% chance to win. If you predict 90% chance that something will happen, and it always happens, your prediction is wrong because you should have predicted 100%.

      When I hear someone say “you can’t trust the polls because they got 2016 ‘wrong’” they are just telling me they don’t understand statistics.

      • KneeTitts@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        They had her anywhere between a 70-90% chance to win

        And its important to note that these predictions were for the pop vote, which she did actually win, so they were actually right.

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          And its important to note that these predictions were for the pop vote, which she did actually win, so they were actually right.

          I’m not sure this is entirely true. Many polls just look at the popular vote, but most of the polls that claim “chance of winning” take into account the EC.

          • Pips@lemmy.sdf.org
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            6 months ago

            538 had her going into the election with a 70% chance of winning the electoral college. Nate Silver also went on multiple shows basically doing everything he could to get people to understand that meant 3 out of 10 times she loses.

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          No, 538 (and RCP?) actually has a rolling projection of ‘real’ chance to win the EC. But the chances of Hillary declined from >90% to 70% in the last week or so. When she was >90% everybody would say it looked like she was going to win, and that’s what people remember.

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        6 months ago

        It’s been awhile since I read anything about that, but it seems like the last time I read about it, was something along: “80% of polls have Hillary projected to win”, but the actual polls that they were using were all almost within the margin of error.

        tl;dr 80% had Hillary winning by about 2-3%.

      • Nobody@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        I understand the point you’re making about probabilities, but we’re speaking in the context of politics. Polls accurately predicted the results in 2008 and 2012. Something fundamentally changed in 2016, and the polls were off across the board.

    • KneeTitts@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      the polls had Hillary winning easily

      Well Hillary didnt pay off her hookers 2 weeks before the election… like that kinda means he cheated. So Id say its a lot harder to win when you play by the rules. And Im not defending Hillary cuz I know she shafted Bernie, but what she did is not even on the same scope as what donnie rapist did/does on a daily basis.