Codebender
But everything changed when the file nation attacked
And although his coding skills are great, he has a lot to learn before he deploys anything to production.
Thats rough, buddy.
My first coding project got axed.
What? Everyone else went on a code learning field trip with Zuko. Now it’s my turn.
Secret tunnel! Through the firewall!
Codesmith
Filerunner
Bugbreaker
Diskbringer
Clouddancer
Docwatcher
Screenweaver
IfElsecaller
'netward
Codesmith
The orders of the Devs Radiant must stand again
Technomancer
this is basically the 2000s “Code Ninja Wizard Monkey Robot” all over again.
spork!
I’m in tech and “computer programmer” has always sounded to me like a grandma phrase. Like how all gaming consoles are referred to as “the Nintendo” or “the game station”.
That’s funny, plain “programmer” would be my preferred term if it weren’t for the fact that non-tech folks think it sounds like menial work. I’ve landed on “software engineer” because that’s what my employer calls me and other people seem to understand a little bit, too.
I was hired with the official title “software engineer,” then I was noted in all unofficial org charts as a “SE/DE” (software engineer/data engineer), and recently my boss announced that I have had my title officially changed to “data engineer”. My job functions have not changed the entire time I’ve been here. I write Python, SQL, KQL and Pyspark scripts and have to fuck around with Azure architecture sometimes. So there’s not always clear delineation between these terms, anyway.
Lol, are you me? Job application said software engineer. 3 months after I was hired, it changed to data engineer with no changes to the work I do. I wasn’t even notified, just noticed on a random day that the role on my profile on Teams had changed. I also do Python, SQL, and Pyspark scripts, but use AWS instead.
I was hired as a Developer and a month or two in they changed our titles to Software Engineer because “It sounds better.” I’d have to say I agree!
Here in Canada you can’t call yourself an engineer unless you are a qualified and licensed engineer. So most people have to call themselves “developer”. When you see someone calling themselves a software engineer it should mean something.
Has there been a programmer for anything other than a computer
angry domino logic programmer noises
Yes. And, by the way, “computer” was once the name of a profession, carried out by people.
Television programming? It’s a stretch, one might say a broad-casting of the term.
I remember telling my high school guidance counsellor I was planning on becoming a programmer. She looked at me, head tilted like a confused dog and asked what excited me about Event Programming (as in, planning and scheduling large in-person events).
That was the first time someone didn’t understand what I did for work, and it was about 5 years before I started doing it.
Hackerman
Tech-priest.
Magos.
O, si es necesario, El Señor Arch-Magos.
Todos alaban al Santo Omnissiah, y así sucesivamente.
My email signature is “Via con dios”
Claro que sí, con gusto, y por supuesto.
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ViaVaya con dios”Or… was that… the joke?
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Dale?
I can neither confirm nor deny.
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Not engineer.
At least here in Germany, engineer is a protected profession. Other than that: All of the above.
Interesting. In the US, all kinds of jobs are called engineers
Yeah, same in the UK. Really annoyed me that the plumber, electrician… etc were all engineers. In Germany it’s as protected as calling yourself doctor, which ultimately affects how people view the profession and the salaries they command
I mean, it’s a protected term in Canada too but it doesn’t necessarily lead to higher salaries.
My cousin who’s an electrician made about as much as I did as an electrical engineer, and I left electrical engineering to be a software developer because it paid more. Engineering paid more than being an electrical technician / designer, but not by a huge amount.
I left aeronautical engineering to become a software “engineer” for similar reasons, salary and work culture. Actual engineering pays quite terribly in the UK, it’s a fair bit better in Germany or the US from what I hear.
US much better than Germany I’ve heard!
Software yes, actual no
It does not only dictate your professional life/status in Germany, being a doctor, your social as well. Someone I know got a postdoc in germany, no luck finding a place to live until they started asking their german collegues to call and saying “doctor so-and-so is looking for an appartment”. So, he gets one. The guy has a very long full name, so the nametag the landlord is gonna put on the postbox is way to long, but if you cut off the part where it says he is a doctor, it would fit. He insists to cut that part away, the landlord just refuses, says fuck your name and person basically, and cuts off part of his last name instead. Saying you are a doctor gets you first in fucking everything (maybe not lufthansa, then they just say ‘senators’ or something). Extremely class divided social society that.
Damn I’m surprised to hear that!
TBF some plumbers and electricians are qualified engineers, just not all.
I believe job titles specifically are(were?) considered in exempt / non-exempt status for overtime.
Why Administrator is in a lot of titles also.
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Sparkling Technologist.
Softwareingenieur darf man sich nennen, wenn man ein mathematisch-naturwissenschaftliches Fach studiert hat, wo Informatik dazugehört. Somit ist Software Engineer oder Softwareingenieur die korrekte Berufsbezeichnung für alle mit einem Bachelor/Master oder höher in Informatik.
Dann muss man schon auch als solcher tätig sein, sonst nicht.
Hmmm. But all the people around me working in software studied multiple years in an Engineering field. In my case, I studied a 5-year industrial engineering and two masters afterwards; I feel very comfortable wearing the “software engineer” or more accurately “robotics engineer” badge.
During the 2008 recession, a lot of Uber drivers had engineering degrees. I guess we should start calling Uber drivers engineers too.
No, that’s precisely the opposite of my point. If you drive an Uber, you’re an Uber driver. People are “CEO” or “Judge” despite nobody having a CEO or Judge degree. Your profession is what you do, not what you happened to study in your teens to get there.
If you studied a technical science and do coding for that you may be allowed to be called ingenieur.
That is not entirely true. It’s a bit more complicated. Yes it is protected since the 1970s but it’s more of an academic title. You needed to study something that is “mainly” of technological or scientific nature. Basically befire the Bologna reform every student in Tec. Unis/FHs did get the title Diplom-Ingenieur. So the engineer part was literally part of your degree. This of course also true in case you studied IT. So yes there are many who call themselves IT engineers also in Germany. However it’s more of a philosophical question how much software development is actually engineering or rather craftsmanship.
They have to protect German engineering at all costs
I put “Chaotic Neutral Technomancer” as my title at work and HR said I had to change it.
Damn that HR!
A “good girl”
Wtf. I came here to make this same comment.
Thought I’d be super clever haha. Take my upvote instead
I’m a Senior Software Engineer, outside of countries where engineer is a protected title. I’m also a Beep-Boop Technician, Specialized Generalist (not Full-Stack since I have mostly succeeded in avoiding JS, until this afternoon), Problem Fixer, Technical Diplomat, Cat Herder (sometimes a tech lead), and The-Mean-Guy-That-Rejects-Commits-When-There-Are-API-Calls-Made-Without-TLS-Encryption-And-Hardcoded-Secrets (infosec likes me but always seems genuinely confused at a dev not fighting them).
sounds like a cool job y’all hiring haha jk unless
Not on my team, unfortunately but, I’ll check. What languages/experience have you got?
Oh man, I didn’t think that’d work haha… Kind of you to offer but I was recently promoted and wouldn’t feel right leaving now. Partially out of respect for my boss and partially because we are severely understaffed. But seriously, thanks for offering to ask around. Very generous of you to offer your help to a stranger ❤️
No worries. We’re all in this together <3
I’m sorry, come again?
I’m a Senior Software Engineer, outside of countries where engineer is a protected title. I’m also a Beep-Boop Technician, Specialized Generalist (not Full-Stack since I have mostly succeeded in avoiding JS, until this afternoon), Problem Fixer, Technical Diplomat, Cat Herder (sometimes a tech lead), and The-Mean-Guy-That-Rejects-Commits-When-There-Are-API-Calls-Made-Without-TLS-Encryption-And-Hardcoded-Secrets (infosec likes me but always seems genuinely confused at a dev not fighting them).
I’m learning that I’m just enough of a front end dev to make a very ugly site. Navigating all the various CSS and JS frameworks feels like pulling teeth.
Having a familiarity is absolutely a great thing. The syntax isn’t alien, so, debug and guiding juniors through figuring out why their project isn’t working isn’t too terrible. The typing is probably what drives me crazy the most. It’s just bad and the standard library doesn’t seem to be equipped to handle every type that it can “support” cleanly.
since I have mostly succeeded in avoiding JS, until this afternoon
Sorry to hear that. I hit the same pothole about 6 months ago. I had been so fine with avoiding JS, but the guys building our admin console broke their build and couldn’t figure out how to fix it. Even worse, then I had to write up best practices for JS
Yeah. Fortunately, I didn’t have to do the programming. Unfortunately, I had to guide the debug. Happy to help people learn but the language, especially in its typing, is just awful.
Funny because HR doesn’t know either and its their job. In the US, you just need to slap engineer at the end and you are golden.
- Viewport engineer.
- Browser-space technician.
- Microsoft painter-decorator.
- Inferior decorator.
- He-who-responds (on the bugs channel).
- Scope denier.
- Manager disappointer.
inferior decorator
This one is going in my dad joke arsenal. Thank you
I am the worst kind of programmer, I’m a Scope Inflator.
Electron herder
This is my opinion that is basically a compilation of the coworkers I’ve talked to about the subject.
Depends on the role. Passed senior level most prefer to be called engineers. Those are the people designing the whole system. Software developers are usually more mid level and figure out the specifics of how to design smaller sections of the system. They cut a lot of the detailed tickets and write a lot of infrastructure code.
Programmer is usually the juniors who never design much and just take tickets and turn them into code.
When I say senior, mid level, and junior, I’m referring more to the role that you’re fulfilling that day, and not the overall skill level. Engineers will often step in as programmers for more complicated code.
We usually accept any of the terms though because it’s very rare for someone to not jump between the various tasks depending on what the active project is. And at some companies they only hire seniors and they perform all roles.
TL;DR: Every software engineer is a developer and programmer, but not every developer is an engineer, and not every programmer is a developer or engineer.
Whats it called when you know how to code, but you’re shit at it, but you’re still in charge of several much more experienced developers?
CTO ;)
Nice! I think I should ask for a raise.
Hell yeah you should
In my experience all terms are used pretty interchangeably (well, rarely programmer or coder, I guess), though I prefer software engineer.
I also prefer engineer but that’s mostly just due to the complexity of my current role vs my old one.
I prefer Software Engineer, mostly because I studied at an engineering school and have a degree in Software Engineering. My actual titles have varied throughout my career, but I overall consider myself a software engineer.
Same. My current role is most accurately DeOps or DevSecOps - my education actually predates “Software Engineer” but it was a Software degree from an Engineering school, and with a more technical focus than the similar degree from Arts and Sciences. But yes, every time I due process improvement, standards and practices, etc, that makes it “Software Engineer”. And every time I have to explain to developers how their stuff works, yes, I’m “The Engineer”, capitalized
I’m curious if you’ve looked up whether you’re allowed to call yourself an engineer in some states (US centric of course)? I read years ago that some states really frown on calling yourself an engineer if you aren’t a certain small range of engineers that they have codified (pun intended) in law.
I think that’s only a civil engineering thing.
Source: work in the industry, and “Civil Engineer” and “Professional Engineer” are legally protected titles. Other than that, it’s fair game. Like, there are “Design Engineers” in the civil sector that don’t have their Professional Engineer certification.
In Germany the title engineer is protected by law but with a computer science degree you may call yourself an engineer.
Oh, wow, TIL.
I got told the difference between a software developer and an engineer is that an engineer factors in a products lifecycle and scalability and communicates this to their team and client
At our company, the person who specializes in that is dubbed Software Architect. Every dev is expected to uphold those values to a certain degree.
Space wizard will do thanks
I’ve set my role on my company’s slack profile as “code connoisseur”
Surely that is reserved for QA!
Nah QA isn’t necessarily going to understand code (the best ones do though!)
Lol i do this when the pm wants to note me down as “develor lead” on change requests, and i force him to change it to “developer enthusiast” instead lol i aint leading nothing.
Krep check!