The statute, which can lead to reproductive coercion in a state that has banned abortion, has recently gained nationwide attention
At six months pregnant, H decided enough was enough. She had endured years of abuse from her husband and had recently discovered he was also physically violent towards her child. She contacted an attorney to help her get a divorce.
But she was stopped short. Her lawyer told her that she could not finalize a divorce in Missouri because she was pregnant. “I just absolutely felt defeated,” she said. H returned to the house she shared with her abuser, sleeping in her child’s room on the floor and continuing to face violence. On the night before she gave birth, she slept in the most secure room in the house: on the tile floor in the basement, with the family’s dogs.
Under a Missouri statute that has recently gained nationwide attention, every petitioner for divorce is required to disclose their pregnancy status. In practice, experts say, those who are pregnant are barred from legally dissolving their marriage. “The application [of the law] is an outright ban,” said Danielle Drake, attorney at Parks & Drake. When Drake learned her then husband was having an affair, her own divorce stalled because she was pregnant. Two other states have similar laws: Texas and Arkansas.
This Christofascist shit is getting out of control. On what planet is a woman staying with her abuser a good thing? What do you think is going to happen to her child if she stays?
If a pregnant woman is wanting a divorce, you can be certain of two things: 1) there’s a reason for it, and 2) that reason is none of your fucking business. The party of small government, ladies and gentlemen.
“Small government” has been redefined by conservatives. When a democrat says small government, they mean they don’t want regulation in every part of their personal life.
When a conservative says they want small government, they mean they want a government big enough to oppress minorities, but too small to ensure those minorities have their rights respected.
That mentality is also largely why conservatives get so up in arms about the norm being shifted, and new things getting normalized. Because the conservative mindset is entirely focused on conforming to the norm, and excluding those outside of the norm. So if the norm changes, they believe they need to change to fit the new norm or they’ll suddenly find themselves excluded.
It’s why they get so upset about minor shit like blue hair or piercings; As they begin to see it normalized, they begin to think “will I be forced to get piercings or dye my hair just to conform?” They explicitly support changes to the norm that already confirm their worldview and habits, because that further entrenches them as the protected norm. But they rabidly oppose the normalization of anything that doesn’t fit.
So if you’re a white married hetero couple with two kids, that’s what you’ll support. No divorces allowed, because we’re married and can’t normalize divorce. No blue hair allowed, because we’re Wonder Bread white and have never dyed our hair, and therefore can’t allow anything but natural hair colors. No abortions allowed, because childfree couples are a threat to our norm. No gay marriage, because we’re hetero and can’t shift the norm away from that. No drug decriminalizing, because the occasional bottle of wine has always been enough for us and we can’t normalize anything else. Et cetera, et cetera…
Most conservatives around the world claim that they want to be small government, but really what they want is to control everything everybody does and if it all possible thinks. They literally are the opposite of conservatism.
Maybe you should consider whether conservativism has ever meant what they said it meant, considering its historical positions of defending theocracies, monarchism, slavery, and fascism.
Limited government for me, my buddies, and my investments.
…but lots of laws are unfortunately necessary to protect the core of American values (i.e., me, my buddies, & investments) from all the undesirables out there!
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America is in its death throes. Republicans and Christians are choking her and the rest of us are just standing around wondering if anyone is going to step in and help.
The judicial branch was bought, the executive branch probably in on it and/or out of touch, the legislature branch is half circus half Corp sponsored… ya we have a 3 way and not that fun holiday vacation consensual kind…
A government that’s just small enough to fit through your front door and rule your personal life.
On what planet is a woman staying with her abuser a good thing?
the same one where a rape victim is forced to give birth to that rapists child.
And, if these Nat-Cs get their way, the biblical rule that a rapist must marry his victim will probably become actual law.
What do you think is going to happen to her child if she stays?
The kid is going to become a neglected ignorant bigoted right-winger. Mission accomplished.
it’s been out of control for 40 years since thatcher and reagan. that was its origin and those are the mistakes that need fixing - shitting on education and health care, shitting on mental health, shitting on doing anything the right way because it’s not “the american way”. honestly fuck america.
Missouri is crazy. Its the absolute cheapest state to live in that has legal weed. At one point they were going to build a supersonic train from Saint Louis to Kansas City (and maybe they still are?) Sounds like a liberal paradise right? Wrong, they still occasionally make the news for doing the same kind of shit Texas or Russia would do. So are they liberals or fascists? Schrodingers box of political alignment.
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What’s next? Gonna take away her ability to have her own credit card and bank account unless a man signs for her like we did in the ‘70s?
If they keep getting their way it probably actually is
But they can still backseat drive right? No? Sorry honey! I’m gonna have to put a gag on you while we drive over to your sister’s…
Bad and naughty birds get the helmet of blindness.
Yes, actually. Conservatives believe women are property to be controlled. Misogyny has always been a core tenet of U.S. conservatism. This is just who conservatives are.
Missouri is a garbage state.
Two other states have similar laws: Texas and Arkansas.
Why am I not surprised? The sad part is, Texans are delusional enough to think they’re better than Florida, lol.
I genuinely believe texans are the most delusional people in the entire US.
Recently met a Texas resident who swore it was the best place “to raise children”
If the news are to be believed, I think it was probably a veiled anti LGBTQ victory lap
I bet their reasoning somehow boiled down to “taxes.” The anti-LGBTQ stuff is just icing on the cake for most of these people.
And the dumb part is that the taxes in Texas are on par with California, just done through different categories. So, you pay the same for significantly worse government services and significantly fewer rights.
Texas: the one star state
It wasn’t a great place for Kyu Cho to raise his family.
FUCK Texas
I have the delusion that I’m going to escape this state one day.
I sure hope you can. What would that require?
If you can find somewhere affordable in Colorado (unfortunately that would be in the sticks teeming wirh right wing nuts) I can highly recommend it.
You can do it! Just about any state is better than Texas.
Yes, even Missouri!
I still know people who spout texas being the “freesest state in the union”
Only if freedom also means submitting your identification for validation in order to browse porn.
Maybe for white protestant men?
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The freezest state, I’d say.
You just offended Florida. They’ve worked hard for that title man.
Nah Florida knows what it is…
-Typed while unfortunately in Florida.
I hate it here
I am kinda calling BS on this, as I got divorced in Arkansas and there was never a question about my ex wife being pregnant nor was it ever mentioned by any attorney or judge. Maybe it’s only used when there is a clear sign of pregnancy or when the husband wants to control the wife who may have filed for divorce. This could be a new law as I got divorced over 10 years ago.
Oh!? A law that wasn’t in effect when you went through the same life situation wasn’t in effect when you went through it, so it’s BS?
Was Henry Ford’s Model T car, the printing press, and the fact that it used to be legal to own people also BS because those things weren’t at the store last time you went?
It is not a case of whatever the fuck it is you want to think it maybe it. It is exactly the evil those who kinda call BS have sown, and the thresher is reaping its way to you eventually too.
“I’m calling bs on this” WTF??? Are you misogynistic, ignorant, just stupid, or all the above? Your reasoning is that you didn’t hear about it personally 10 years ago when it might have been relevant to you?
When my personal experiences go against what a news article claims, I start to think critically about the source. I’m not disclaiming or debating anything about Missouri law, but by throwing in that comment about Arkansas seems like they are being a bit sensational to get a wider audience reaction. I would not doubt for a second if this law exists in either of those states, but it’s most likely enforced by choice.
Calling bs is disclaiming… think man think… your tone is strong but tpur words are weak. Why do you think this is?
When the husband wants to control the wife who may have filed for divorce.
Ya think?
This law was JUST put in place
No, the law was passed in 1973. At the time, the Missouri legislature was still controlled by Democrats.
It was trying to stop men who would finalize a divorce before the birth of their child in order to avoid establishing their paternity.
Do they not teach geography in Arkansas? I guess not, so, FYI, Missouri is not Arkansas. They’re different states with different state laws.
I think we should stop pitting states against each other in a race to the bottom and see this for what it is: working class people having their rights taken away by the wealthy elite. The more we are divided the easier it is to do this type of thing. The politicians are doing this, not the people. And they have set up and continued to prop up a system that under educated voters, while also underpaying them and blaming it on anyone else they can do everyone is mad at everyone. We need to stop blaming each other and band together and force them to fix it.
Thank you. Being a Texas resident, I’m not especially happy when I hear stuff like “all Texans are delusional”, a lot of us simply don’t have a choice in the matter of where we live. Some of us are trying to make this a better place to be, but it takes time and we’re constantly blocked by rich assholes clinging to power like their lives depend on it (and they probably do at this point). Class consciousness is lifting up the less fortunate, don’t put us down for laws and policies we had no say in creating.
Missouri was a shit state before this Trainwreck bullshit… nothing about it is redeeming… literally the entrance to the worst parts of this country.
That all being said your argument is correct 💯.
Third-world state government.
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Shit hole, even.
America has some serious vindictive fucks running the country
I can’t imagine how mean our government/culture must look to people who live in reasonable developed societies elsewhere. It looks insane from inside the country, and we’re the ones used to it and often related to the vindictive fucks’ voters!
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Why the hell is America such a backwater shithole? Like the education system in my country is deeply flawed, but at least we don’t have religious zealots.
Perpetuating the cycle of poorly educated religious zealots from a shithole backwater
It’s because the majority of the people, which are people who do not like this stuff, are also complacent as fuck and will tolerate just about anything if it means they don’t actually have to get off the fucking couch.
We’ve transitioned from ‘off the couch’ to 'grinding every waking moment to survive and are too tired to care about getting involved in local politics after you just got off shift at your second job ’
at least we have strong free speech laws and quite a few states have good self-defense laws. some good, some great, but there’s a handful of states that are terrible about any kind of self defense that involves killing a home invader
In quite a few places, you can’t use force to remove a trespasser if they decide to camp on your land.
Well, who needs bodily autonomy when you can just use slurs without repercussion. I really don’t get why you try to reason with free speech or self defense laws against against this intrusion of your actual freedom.
Being forced to keep a pregnancy going and then being forced to stay in marriage won’t get better when you can legally say whatever you want or shoot someone trespassing on your land…Imagine being so delusional, you think those are unique or even worse… Needing those. You fantasise about murdering someone, how about Living in a place where that’s not even a consideration? I don’t have to worry about someone invading my home and having to defend myself. 3rd world countries are safer than your sorry excuse of a nation.
And that’s something else that makes a lot of the world look at America like a backwater shithole. Feeling the need to be able to kill other people - that might be important to many Americans but from the outside looking in it seems ignorant and barbaric.
Every state allows lethal force to protect yourself within your home. It’s a GOP talking point lie that states don’t allow you to defend yourself.
And yet, many (if not most) women who defend themselves from their abuser with a firearm get convicted on murder charges… mostly in the states you mention as having “good self-defense laws”.
Imagine that - if someone camps on your land, you can just call the police. They will guide the trespasser out and initiate proceedings.
Don’t get married and don’t have kids, got it.
I’m almost 50, and I can not think of two better peices of advice.
I remember telling a guy years ago, I don’t plan on getting married or having kids…"
His response was", Oh no, you got to, that’s what the good lord wants. "
I replied with" What he be a good lord if he wanted you to jump off a bridge and kill yourself? "
He just walked away. I don’t understand why people feel the need to live a life based on religion. Believe in what you want, but don’t shove it in people’s mouth like a penis. Just let people live their lives however they want.
It’s all about power. People love having power and the men got their sky daddy’s favor.
What the actual fuck is wrong with these people? They aren’t even trying to hide the endgame here.
I guess it’s time for blue states to start negating residency requirements for divorce. Just another step towards balkanization.
What even is the endgame here though?
So I get conservatives want many babies but without providing any care or (especially) pay, perfectly fuels their pockets this way. But how does this work to their advantage? You just get more abuse this way. How the fuck does that help in their baby factoring scheme?
Broken homes feed into the prison-industrial complex, the only remaining form of slavery currently allowed in our country? It’s not just about the babies. You need to make sure they end up poor, desperate, and too broken to hope for better as adults.
It’s easier to manipulate uneducated people into voting against their interests as well, so they want them poor and uneducated
the endgame is when they start saying “well I didn’t think they were gonna do that” and acting all innocent as their fascist rhetoric turns the country into a fascist hellhole thanks to their violent dipshittery
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Seriously? The endgame is clear. Reduce access to education, force people to have kids that will be born in that environment and raise an ignorant neglected bigoted class that is easily controlled and manipulated.
What even is the endgame here though?
Control. Power. Compelled obedience.
Biblical law.
What even is the endgame here though?
Suffering. Suffering is the endgame. They get off by causing those they feel are lesser to suffer as much as they can.
Never assume that there’s an endgame. Some people just like watching others suffer.
Life is a journey, not a destination. <3
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Where did this shift of this country becoming full evil? It felt like people were learning to be more empathic then a huge sudden turn the other way.
There was a big shift after 9/11 that kept growing and amplifying
Edit: hate breeds and fosters hate. 9/11 injected a lot of hate
This goes back to the 70s at least. Desegregation and the sexual revolution really pissed off conservatives. They saw how the court was expanding rights and realized the power controlling the courts allowed. Since then their project has been to seize control of the judicial system by any means necessary.
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/corporate-takeover-american-politics
This is what you’re probably referring to. I highly recommend reading the document mentioned. It’s enlightening to say the least.
Oh. So it’s innate. Neat.
It’s not a bug, it’s a feature!
It’s always been a feature which boiled up to the civil war, but instead of actually solving the issue, we kept kicking the can down the road. This is the government of stakeholders, just because on paper we broadened the election rights to a larger pool of people, doesn’t mean your vote means anything in who gets paid and who’s interest gets represented. That being said, plz vote D in the general. Just go read the project 2025 if you’re not convinced.
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Obama got elected, and the white Nationalists and nazis came out of the slime. After 8 years of war on terrorism and extreme nationalism around it, they found an entire political party willing to hear and act on poisoned words.
The pump was primed, and here we are. Get to the polls and get everyone you know to go.
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It’s not rape if you’re married.
Gotta stay married if you’re pregnant.
Some states have codified: pregnant, bare foot and chained to the stoves
'Merica!
Number one cause of death of pregnant people in the US is murder. I wonder what the rates are like in these states versus others.
i’ma go out on a limb here and say… the same? cuz “it’s higher” was back over on the main stem…
Alright, so it’s quite obvious to me now that the US government is full of people with a breeding kink and it’s enough to make bills pass, what happened to sexual deviance diversity!
I could absolutely see many of them being in favor of forced birth for ordinary non-sexy reasons.
If you are so broken that you think society’s first priority is the growth of you and your buddies’ investments, then it’s not much of a leap to support shitty ways to keep the working class growing.
Yeah okay, this is fucked up.
… Or Fargo season 5 prologue
America ~~> Hold my beer!
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To be fair to the US, the other great empires of the time weren’t trying to accelerate Rome’s decline
Yes they were.
Only their neighbours cared and they are dwarfed by the power of Rome. It’s akin to Iran and North Korea’s attempts to dethrone the US
Han, Maya, Bantu weren’t doing much to them
Sure, but ten neighbors effectively allied against you while you also keep making unforced errors is still a problem. If you want to say they weren’t really empires, fair enough, but they were being constantly tested politically.
Of course, Best Rome handled it for another thousand years, against actual empires, mostly by not inventing racism.
Byzantine best Rome?
East Rome indeed Best Rome. The numbers speak for themselves.
To think divorce during pregnancy is allowed here, but not in the US. Maybe people in the US shouldn’t fear Shariah law if they are adopting even more regressive laws.
The only reason she can’t leave in this situation is because divorce would grant her an equal share of assets earned during the marriage thus allowing her to afford shelter and food for her and the kid. Under Islamic law the wife is not entitled to this so would be in an even worse situation.
Of course your country may have secular laws that do entitle fair division and protections, but that’s not the question.
I was under the impression the reason she couldn’t leave was because she was pregnant. I’ll reread the article, but I didn’t notice it being because she was entitled to half the property they acquired as a couple.
You think that she’s a prisoner and can’t leave physically because she’s pregnant? I know america is wild but married women still have autonomy, the only reason she’d need to stay is economic.
Ahh yes, the wealthiest country on Earth and if you’re pregnant, it would not be economical to not be beaten by a POS human that beats you and your child.
Seriously though, had she left and crossed state lines, she could have lost both her kids.
The ex wife is entitled to an allowance from her ex husband as are the children, she is also entitled to keep the gift her husband gave her to marry her. The state provides welfare too from monthly allowance to other services. She is not going to be homeless or sick without care if she ends poorer after the divorce.
Of course not all Muslim countries interpret Sharia exactly the same. I’m from Saudi Arabia which is on the more conservative side but has strong welfare. There are conditions on which the ex wife is not entitled to an allowance such as if she initiated the divorce. The courts can force the husband to divorce her but at the cost of waiving her financial benefits.
I think most people in the US still don’t get that many countries offer things like housing, healthcare and education as a right. A woman doesn’t need to be married to be financially secure here.
You’re painting a pretty picture but the reality of life for women in this situation in your country is not something American woman would accept, maybe you’re the one not aware how it is in the rest of the world.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/03/08/saudi-arabia-law-enshrines-male-guardianship
I’m not from the US and I’m not a huge fan of their legal system but reality is reality.
This is a country that literally only started requiring the brides consent in marriage less than twenty years ago. Where women need to use the absher app on their phone which notifies and requests permission from their male guardian if they try to use their passport to travel. Let’s not try and pretend a woman in the same situation as in the ops article would be better off in SA - especially as you yourself sat if she was in the same situation she would not be eligible as the initiator.
I think you should no more about Saudi Arabia. I think you are assuming that Saudi Arabia by default will be worse, but I see the differences as a matter of tradeoffs. When it comes to financial and material conditions the average woman in Saudi Arabia is better off than the average woman in the US. You could argue for other social or personal issues, but not when it comes to money.
is not something American woman would accept
She would definitely accept the free healthcare and more accessible abortions if she ever needed it 1 2 3
Where women need to use the absher app on their phone which notifies and requests permission from their male guardian if they try to use their passport to travel
Are you sure about this? from what I know the current law states any women 21 or above doesn’t need a permission from any male guardian. I know it was the case for my sister and female cousins. Either you or HRW are citing an old law.
if she was in the same situation she would not be eligible as the initiator.
She won’t be eligible for an allowance from her husband, but she may still be eligible for a welfare allowance from the government. My sister initiated the divorce with her husband, and took him to court to force him to divorce her, and she is doing just fine financially, it helped that she was making more than him, but if she was poor she would qualify for housing and allowance from the government. Her son has a monthly allowance from the government in addition to the allowance paid by his father.
Everyone needs to realize white supremacists have disguised themselves as Christians to push white supremacy ideology. These are not Christians
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I have two problems with this. (1) Logically speaking that can’t be true. The guy who wrote the bulk of the Constitution was a Christian. Sure you can argue that the government had non-Christian voices like Jefferson but it’s not like the US had a Hindu majority (or something) at the time. (2) It would be easier to understand what went wrong with Evangelism and right wing media then to try to get the majority of the country to hate Christianity. Don’t divide the people over religion; you force them to live by their words.
You have as much hate in your heart as they do. I know several Christians, they’ve all maintained the same character and demeanor as they always have. Every single one acts the same. Did Christians suddenly change or did white supremacists join their ranks and try to blend in?
Ahh, so we’re going to play the Christian version of “no true Scotsman”?
Nor be they Scottsmen
They absolutely are and Christians were much worse towards women before social progress forced them to change their official positions or become irrelevant.
It is now apparent that they never really changed their ideas.
Just divest yourself from religion, it’s only used for corruption
I’ve never been religious
They absolutely are true christians.
This looks like words straight out of the Bible to me. Any Christian saying this isn’t Christianity is the one that isn’t a true Christian.
No many of them are. They just don’t represent all Christians
A true follower is so rare as to be virtually extinct. Think of these church mega pastors with hundred million dollar net worths. What would jesus do with that money? Probably give it all away to feed starving children all around the world. Every penny, probably to the point of only having two articles of clothing and driving around in a van lol. Christians are such hypocrites.
Also, he probably would’ve voted for Bernie haha. Not kidding though.
jesus wouldn’t have it in the first place and that is the sole and only point. To have accumulated dragon-level wealth is to have been an evil fucker. Period!
