cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/17439723
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/17439722
Palestinian Territory – Israel’s army has again massacred Palestinian civilians who had gathered in Gaza to obtain humanitarian aid, targeting them with gunfire from helicopters, tanks, and drones near the Kuwait roundabout on the outskirts of Gaza City. This incident has resulted in over 60 deaths and 160 injuries, some of which are critical.
Israel is an example of what a country shouldn’t be like.
every country supporting israel it’s also an example of what countries shouldn’t be like
Is there any point at which the US would allow international pressure to end this genocide? When does it become strategically disadvantageous?
No because they’re the ones sponsoring it
LOOKS LIKE THE LEMMY CENORS ARE OUT IN FULL FORCE
This is the comment that I made that got removed:
Is there any point at which the US would allow international pressure to end this genocide?
No.
When does it become strategically disadvantageous?
Always. We literally had 9/11 because of Israel and still haven’t learned our lesson.
We are literally not allowed to say 9/11 happened because of Israel, despite the mastermind behind the attack literally saying that’s why he did it AND I even provided the source!
https://lemmy.world/comment/8465732
There are some horrible mods on this team with a clear agenda. We cannot trust them.
On Hexbear, mods will remove any mention of 9/11 in remembrance of Salvador Allende and the CIA backed Chilean coup. /s
The fact he said what was the reason of doing it does not mean he was right.
West will never stop supporting Israel. It’s just still more advantageous to tolerate its war crimes rather than having states like Iran and terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah with nuclear weapons.
The current government of Iran and Hamas are both reactions caused by US meddling in the Middle East. The CIA actively led a campaign to get Iranians to turn on a democratic government -> supported Reza Shah -> which lead to the 1979 revolution which established the current government.
So what should US do? Calmly sit down and shout: “We are bad, please kill us.”
Edit: Also, what you are essentially doing is picking a specific point of time in history, dubbing a it a root cause and then you excuse the other side’s actions. By this logic, let’s blame the city of Rome for the conflict in the middle east because if Romans hadn’t forced out jews thousands years ago, this wouldn’t have happened. So all Israel’s war crimes are actually Romans’ fault, so now let’s collectively blame them.
Once the job is done.
Not as long as Democrat politicians know they can continue to count on our votes while they take money from the Zionist lobby and do their bidding. But don’t you dare suggest not voting for Genocide Joe on here. Anyone who would suggest such a thing must be an astroturfing Trump troll. After all, what’s a little genocide in the big picture?
PS: The Zionist lobby isn’t an antisemitic dog whistle. In the US, the Zionist lobby probably gets more support from rabid fundamentalist Christians who think Israel’s ascendancy will trigger the end times than from Jews. That’s been true since the Blackstone Memorial was circulated in 1891.
Why are you acting like Trump wouldn’t support the genocide? It’s not a choice between genocide and not, so yes you are in fact just trolling for trump.
It’s not that Trump wouldn’t support the genocide, he certainly would. But as long as Democrats feel they can also support the genocide without repercussions, they will do so to enrich themselves. Republicans aren’t going to change, there’s little point trying to push them on this. But if democrats think that this issue is the difference between winning and losing an election (and thus potentially limiting their ability to enrich themselves), there’s a smidge of a chance they’d at least cut funding or something.
Cool strategy bro. Let’s play Chicken with our politics. That’s some real 4D chess there.
I mean, it’s not like our entire political infrastructure and way of lives could be determined by the next election.
You’re right, I guess we need to do nothing while thousands of children slowly starve to death before our eyes. I suppose it’s just a sacrifice we have to make.
This is dumb.
Destroying your own livelihood is not going to stop the Gazan Massacre. It’d be like if you threatened to burn down your local hospital if they don’t start admitting more uninsured people. Your actions will help no one, and make things worse for everyone.
You want to fix a problem? Then take steps to actually fixing them. Not threatening to destroy everything around you like a fucking child.
How’s this, why don’t you go burn down your home or your parents home as a form of protest. It’ll really make a message about the destroyed homes in Gaza. Oh, your not going to do it? I guess your just as bad as I am. Hypocrite.
Me: Don’t vote for someone guilty of genocide
You: Burn down your house or you’re a hypocrite
This isn’t the trolley problem. We have other options. We could force Biden to step aside and have an open convention. If that doesn’t happen, I’ll vote for Cornel West or Jill Stein or Claudia De la Cruz.
Ok Dimitri, please tell us how you’ll vote in a US election as a Russian living in St Petersburg?
Well I guess he’s definitely voting for Biden after calling them a Russian troll. Great job 👏
They always land on ad hominem attacks in the end. Very compelling stuff
Grow up.
No one wants to hear it discussed because it’s a fucking dumb strategy, like, what effect do you think it’ll actually have? You vote for the guy that’s most likely to actually do something about it rather than vote to sink the entire fucking ship because your having a temper tantrum. You’re insane if you think that’s even a remotely viable strategy. I can’t believe you’re even bringing it up like it’s a “good” idea…like wtf.
You can check my post history. I’m rabidly against this genocide. The IDF has gone unchecked and their treatment of an “enemy populace” is a fucking warcrime. Something needs to be done. But if you think for a second that I or any other rational adult here is going to even remotely humor the idea of doing something that could get Trump elected, you are out of your damned mind.
The entire fucking ship is committing a genocide
No, we’re not commiting a genocide. There’s just not enough pressure to stop a strategic ally (that’s armed with nukes, mind you) from doing horrific actions. There’s been a shit ton of verbal posturing from all of our allies over this, but no one else has done a damned thing either. I’m not going to tank my country because of it either. What does that accomplish? Congratulations bro, your morally superior. Hope that’ll keep you chipper in the American gulag if Trumpelstiltskin gets elected.
You’re arguing with a Kremlin shill, better to just tag them and move on… they want to frustrate you and waste your time.
77 GROUPS WORLDWIDE BACK GENOCIDE LAWSUIT AGAINST BIDEN IN U.S. COURT
That’s a lot of Kremlin shills.
It is literally our shells and bombs which our client state is using to kill children while we are the lone veto in the UN Security Council vote for a ceasefire. Obama and Reagan–yes, Ronald Reagan–withheld weapon shipments to Israel over far less. All Biden has to do is follow his own policy which prohibits providing arms that will likely be used to violate human rights. Instead, he has refused to even place conditions on the weapons he gives to Israel, conditions he has been happy to place on arms transfers to Ukraine.
Biden is not merely complicit. He’s a willful participant. He’s a war criminal.
I disagree with all of this, and find it to be an emotionally stunted and shallow take on a very complex issue.
How many genocidal deaths per month (under a dem administration) would it take for you to withhold your vote for a dem? 1 thousand, 1 million, 10 million? I suspect there is no amount.
Let me rephrase this better:
How many genocidal deaths (in a totally different country than your own) per month would it take for you to destroy your government and see it overtaken by an Alt-Right Dictatorship? 1 thousand, 1 million, 10 million? I suspect there is no amount.
It’d be on thing if “a dem administration” was the one causing the genocide. They aren’t. But I agree that they could be doing more to stop it. It won’t get better under Trump, so this game of “Morality chicken” your playing with our entire future here is fucking dumb.
They’re more concerned about their “livelihood” than doing the right thing.
The daily death toll on Israel has been plummetting by 20% per month since the beginning of the conflict.
Nope. Not as long as we can continue our comfortable lives over here. Not as long as it’s people who don’t look like us–who don’t speak our language–doing the dying. Not as long as we can block “Gaza” from our feed when it starts to become a real downer.
When one of the most powerful nations in the world becomes a dictatorship, how do you think that’ll affect the world? What do you think happens to the last 200 years of progress? What do you think will continue to happen in Gaza?
It isn’t like this is an isolated decision. Not voting has a very real and fucking dangerous consequence, and you need to realize that sometimes there aren’t good decisions and you have to make the best of it. Sitting out and pouting doesn’t do shit but make things worse for everyone else. So stop acting like a petulant child. No one in this entire fucking thread is even remotely supportive of genocide, but you’ll be damned if I’m going to see my country become a dictatorship because of events in other countries because one side “isn’t doing enough”.
What do you think happens when the people of the most powerful democracy in the world look the other way when their elected officials commit genocide?
The colonial apartheid state of israel is genociding Palestinian with support from western countries.
Fuck israel. All my homies hate israel.
And there are still people denying this is a genocide.
I heard a really interesting interview on NPR with Ofer Cassif, the head of an Israeli socialist party who just survived impeachment. He advocates for South Africa’s genocide ICC case. But what was more interesting to me was how he was talking about how Netanyahu is using this as an excuse to turn Israel into a dictatorship, something he already tried with his attempt to reform their supreme court.
https://www.npr.org/2024/01/13/1224635827/israeli-lawmaker-on-the-u-n-genocide-case-against-israel
Israel should be sanctioned like North Korea until they stop their genocide.
Massacre upon massacre.
Yet the Zionist stranglehold on our politicians continues
demons
Its like crocodiles in a watering hole
If they do that 3 or 4 hundred more times Joe Biden might be VERY angry and give them a couple Billion dollars LESS next time!
You people really believe this is the case? They bring the aid, wait for people to come and then kill bunch of them. Then they repeat this process weekly. You seriously think this is what’s happening? So are inhabitants of Gaza stupid or have gold-fish memory? Naah, don’t think about it bro. Israel bad mkay.
This one?
The IDF reports that Palestinian gunmen fired at civilians waiting for aid at Kuwait Square in Gaza City last night, resulting in casualties. IDF troops did not fire during the incident.
As per the IDF’s investigation, a convoy of 31 trucks carrying food and humanitarian aid for civilians was en route to northern Gaza. An hour before reaching an IDF-established corridor, armed Palestinians shot at civilians waiting for the aid trucks, according to the probe.
The IDF states that as the aid trucks entered the corridor, the gunmen continued shooting while some Gazans began looting the trucks. The IDF also observed civilians being run over by the trucks.
Hamas health officials reported at least 21 deaths and over 150 injuries in the incident.
After an intensive preliminary review, the IDF concluded that its forces did not fire at the aid convoy at Kuwait Square. The military’s operational systems and troops on the ground did not engage in tank shelling, airstrikes, or gunfire toward the Gazan crowd during the aid convoy’s presence.
https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/1768585030412976318?s=19
The past hundred or so ‘IDF reports’ have been complete lies. Maybe this one will be true.
-some 🤡
I don’t know. A tweet from @OSINT845254459 is a very reliable source of information. /s
So, terrorist fired at civilians and IDF just watched. How is this better?
Well, the last time this happened in northern Gaza about a week ago, Israel was blamed for the deaths of the people rioting. I suppose they for sure sat back and watched it happen. They would be blamed anyway. Oh look. They were.
Anyway, what occurs to me is that these Egyptian truck drivers, sooner or later, are going to stop delivering aid no matter how much money they make. Can’t spend it when you have bullet wounds. Israel will be blamed for that too.
Why wouldn’t they be blamed for that? Or any of the other atrocities they’ve committed?
Maybe they didn’t do what it was claimed they did.
Falling for “The IDF reports” is as bad as eating the onion at this point
Why are you posting Israeli propaganda lol?
Is this string only for Hamas propaganda?
Correct.
When was the last time someone quoted Hamas here?
The truth is Hamas propaganda now haha.
For anyone that wants to have a laugh here’s a funny video
Obviously anything that shows Israel doing bad things is hamas
It supports Hamas but it’s Kremlin propaganda.
Sure. Well, since they don’t seem to use any bullets all the time, maybe they should accept a ceasefire right now and a peace treaty in the near future, recognizing the Palestinians’ right to exist in their own territory. How about that?