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Dems still trying to shame people to vote for Genocide lmao.
Yeah, I’m sure Trump will help Gaza all day long if elected…
You have the choice between someone who doesn’t care enough and someone who doesn’t care at all. I’ll vote for the one who doesn’t care enough.
And then they love to pretend that there’s no other candidates 🤣
I definitely have a better opinion of people who vote for third party candidates than people who don’t vote at all. A major problem with our current elections is that it’s far more mud-slinging about the opposition than positivity. If the race becomes a little bit less two-party, candidates might start talking about their advantages, rather than deriding the opponents.
That said, it will still do nothing healthy for this election - it’s a long-term strategy, in a world where a bad president can do so much damage in the short term.
Thank you stranger! I completely agree. I can’t keep track of what I’ve said and what threads, but my whole basic idea is if you’re not in a swing state then vote third party. I completely agree it’s a long term strategy.
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There aren’t.
You’ve clearly never heard of 3rd party candidates then! If you have heard of them, I want you to ask yourself why you feel compelled to so overly simplify a situation that you boil it down to a blatant lie.
They don’t matter in a first past the post election. They’re the functional equivalent of not voting, or voting for Mikey Mouse.
Did you ask yourself why you felt the need to lie before?
I didn’t lie. There’s no other candidates. You can write whatever name you want, but only either Joe Biden or Donald Trump will win.
I believe Trump already made the comment to just glass Gaza.
It’s the best choice.
Genocide Joe certainly isn’t trying to be a lesser evil anymore.
You could literally put a half eaten turkey sandwich against Trump and I’d vote for the sandwich 100% of the time.
As an outsider, though neighbor in Canada, I can’t truely comprehend why Trump has the support he does. I sort of get it when looking at specifics (some people enjoy racism, others think he’d stir things up and create change) but the Evangelical support alone is baffling. I’m not religious but went to schools with religion as a subject (didn’t always focus on Christianity in the Anglican one but other one did) and the idea that anyone remotely Christian, or anyone that thinks they have religious values could vote for him makes me want to do the exorcist head spin and spew green pea soup. I didn’t think of that idea in a religious way just an absurd reaction to the situation but it sort of fits.
I’d definitely vote for the inanimate carbon rod over Trump, but the sandwich has merit too.
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Trump isn’t racist. That’s a narrative the Left has been throwing around for years. He’s won numerous black awards, has had numerous black support, and only when he ran against Democrats was he labeled by the left as a “racist.”
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Religious people will always vote conservative, no matter who the candidate is. My Mexican family are very religious Catholics, and even they vote for Trump because they always feel that a Republican better protects their religious rights.
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The Democrat party is doing everything and anything to stop him from running, and this only makes his case stronger.
Trump literally took out newspaper ads calling for the execution of a group of African-American teens falsely accused of a crime. He refuses to apologize
Hard to see that as anything other than racist.
Trump has been part of the African American community for most of his life…and now, he’s all of a sudden a racist…come on…
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Meanwhile, there’s MILLIONS who are going to vote for him because everyone keeps telling them not too…I love how minorities are told that they’re “not good enough” to vote Republican.
How to piss off everyone at LW, watch:
I am voting for neither. I’m going to match what I care about with a specific candidate, because I don’t like Trump or Biden. [/opinion]
Now I’ll just sit and wait for the “you idiot” comments and the vitriol geyser to blow. This should be entertaining to watch people think my vote’s going to make a difference in the electoral college.
Thanks for surrendering what little choice you have to me.
Cool, have fun picking between fascism and genocide.
So there’s this cool thing with math where you can factor out common values.
So if we have fascism+genocide vs notfascism+genocide, and we factor out the support for Israel, we get fascism vs nonfascism.
That’s still an important election, regardless of whether both sides support Israel.
That’s still an important election, regardless of whether both sides support Israel.
Sure, but consider what you’re saying here, if we cannot use our votes to effect change then what are you proposing people do?
Well, for one, vote for the only major party that MIGHT give a shit about Gaza or may be less gung-ho about supporting Israel, and for two, advocate in other ways. Organize protests, make calls to your representatives and senators, donate to charities that will assist the people of Gaza, etc.
Keep in mind, Donald Trump moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and doesn’t give a flying fuck about Gaza. He’s worse for Gaza than “Genocide Joe” is.
Organize protests
There have been protests about Biden sending arms to Israel. He continues to send arms to Israel. Politicians ignore protests.
make calls to your representatives and senators
People have called their representatives and senators objecting to sending arms to Israel. Arms continue to be sent to Israel.
Clearly neither of these have worked. What else have you got?
It’s like you’re expecting national policy to turn instantly based on protests. That’s now how the world works, unfortunately. Things take time.
It’s terrible, I’m not in any way trying to downplay the genocide that is happening. But Israel and the US have been firm allies for a long time. Change won’t come quickly. And it won’t come at all if Trump is elected.
This has been a recipe for a democratic win for a for decades. High turnouts favor democrats.
I want to repeat this as much as possible because I think it’s incredibly important. When you vote for a president, you are not voting for one person, you are voting for thousands. You are voting for an entire branch of government, possibly 2. The president appoints an insane amount of positions, so when you vote for the one person you need to also think about all the other positions they will be nominating people for. Hundreds of federal judges, hundreds of secretaries, dozens of heads of departments and agencies, hundreds of ambassadors, and most importantly, potentially lifetime appointments of Supreme court judges, which can flip an entire other branch of government. There are also tons of lower level positions on top of those, and if that’s not enough already, many of these appointments span multiple presidencies, so you’re not just voting for the next 4 years, but potentially long after that.
So when you’re looking at the ballot, do not think about the names on the paper, think about the thousands of incredibly important, powerful, and influential roles that they will fill. As powerful as the president is, when you add up all those other positions, they are even more important than the one position of president.
And if you want to know why we haven’t made much forward progress, well… we flip parties every 8 years.
If you want to know why we’re backsliding, it’s because when Republicans have an advantage it’s 58/42 and when Democrats have an advantage it’s 51/50 for two weeks.
Over the past 50 years Republicans have had more political power in this country.
Democrats held a comfortable dual majority during four years Obama’s presidency and aside from the ACA did fuck all with it. And that’s just in recent history. Go back a bit farther and they had 8 straight years. Go back a bit farther and Democrats had comfortable dual majorities for 26 years straight.
Your own link disproves your point and makes mine. Yeah, there were times with House and Senate Democrat majorities, usually with a Republican president.
Republicans have had more control.over the direction of this country than Democrats for the past fifty years.
You could also make the thin line for president larger, which would make it more obvious.
My fucking god what is it going to take for you fucking zealots to wake the fuck up and get angry at rich politicians fucking us over regardless of party? Fucking wake up. What the fuck.
Fuck the Democrats. Fuck the Republicans. Fuck this procorporate trash.
Zealot? Well, fuck you too, buddy.
Serinus made a great point. Republicans have had their hands on the levers of power because shitheads want to see liberals suffer, and OTHER shitheads scream bloody murder because they didn’t get the rainbow alicorn they swore they were promised. Cluebus for ya, pal. More than ultra-leftie liberals get to call the shot in the USA and you taking your fucking ball and going home hurts all of us…
didn’t get the rainbow alicorn they swore they were promised.
Nobody promised us a rainbow alicorn. But they did make promises and they were broken. We are not morally obligated to accept that kind of treatment.
you taking your fucking ball and going home hurts all of us…
Oh buddy. We’re taking more than the ball. We’re taking our lives.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68782177
Go fuck yourself.
If you have thoughts of suicide, do what the article says to do and talk to someone. If things are so bad that you’re contemplating killing yourself, this is a dangerous position to be, and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, even a Trumper or a useful idiot. But throwing that link about suicide down won’t change my point.
You don’t always get exactly what you want from a politician. Ask the Kiwis. They recently stayed home, DESPITE their country offering multiple Left-Wing parties and a system that ensures their vote for one of those Left-Wing parties won’t result in one of the Right-Wing Parties being elected, and now, National, ACT, and NZ First (their Conservative parties, going from main-stream to whacko-extreme) are calling the shots and have rolled back EVERY left-wing priority they could get their hands on at a rapid pace. This is what you get when you say ‘not liberal enough’ and stay home, and that’s BEFORE FPTP used here in the USA gets in on the game.
Again. One of two things will happen in January.
- Biden will start his second term, doing much the same as he’s done in the first term, SLOOOWLY and ever so painfully eeking out some Liberal priority or another, and then being shut down by the Right-Wing Court.
- Trump will start his second term, and you’ll be fighting to not be disappeared into the back of some white van by literal secret police while Trump’s goons enact Project 2025 to ‘erase woke everywhere’.
Every vote Biden doesn’t get…is an increase of the chance that everything you supposedly stand for BEYOND Israel being undone while you dodge shitheads with white vans like Floyd Protesters did in Seattle. I’m just going to be here to remind you and everyone else who reads this of that truth.
And fuck yourself back to you, pal.
The less you campaign for electoral reform in your state, the more you support the republican party.
Switching away from first past the post voting allows people to vote for who represents them best while still counting their vote against those they dont want to win. Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoiler effect exists.
Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.
Republicans are moving to make alternative electoral systems illegal in their states. Why would you want to use the same voting system republicans prefer?
More political parties means a higher percentage of the population is representedby their choices in the voting booth. More people involved in the electoral process, more people engaged.
Its a win win win all around for not just the people, but also for the democratic party. More people voting means more democratic votes. The numbers dont lie. So what’s the hold up blue states?
You believe it’s critical to vote for the democrats to beat the Republicans, thus you should 100% be fully invested in passing electoral reform in your state.
Electoral reform needs to be the number one priority for every democrat. This is a existential threat to our nation, so we must use EVERY tool at our disposal. No more waiting. This especially goes for those in blue states.
Consider starting a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.
Electoral reform needs to be the number one priority for every democrat.
Never going to happen.
Yeah, I’ve wanted instant runoff voting to be the system the US uses for decades, but it’s clear that it’s never going to realistically happen.
We can’t even get rid of the dumbass electoral college after all this time, lol.
votes third party
Ironically, in that episode, voting third party was best because both candidates were monsters.
Today one is a monster and the other is the not a monster but still mostly represents monsters, but some people too.
I took some time to look at who the 2020 Biden voter are who are considering not voting for him.
While there are a growing number of such groups, one of the biggest is Muslims. They get that Trump is a racist and hates Muslims. They’re also currently watching Biden going out of his way to support Israel in their genocide. To them, Biden doesn’t just represent monsters, he is a monster. They’re logic is essentially, “We’re fucked either way. Let’s get rid of the monster in front of us and then we’ll worry about the next monster.”
It doesn’t matter if you or I agree with that. They’re not asking for permission to feel that way. If the Democratic leadership doesn’t address those concerns with significantly more empathy than, “don’t be stupid”, the likely outcome is that Biden will miss out on many of those votes.
Unfortunately Biden has been racking up voter groups that feel betrayed by him. My preference would have been for Biden to find some other Democratic candidate, retire gracefully and strongly back the new candidate.
It doesn’t matter if you or I agree with that.
I’d argue it matters a lot.
What’s the argument that it does?
Do you think that this disagreement is likely to change anyone’s mind?
Take a fairly famous example. Bassem Youssef has very publicly embraced the sentiment I’m describing. How does your agreement or disagreement have any impact at all?
I’d argue that it will only have an impact if you choose an action that’s likely to induce change. He very clearly says that he considers the threats that “If you don’t vote for Biden you’re voting for Trump,” messages to be a form of blackmail.
He finds it unconvincing so it fails to work on him. As near as I can tell, his attitude is fairly representative of a significant number of voters.
How does your agreement or disagreement have any impact at all?
This is a democracy. Potential voters are being influenced right now by the discussions we’re having.
I should clarify then.
There is currently some percentage of people who plan to vote for Biden, some that plan to vote for Trump and some who are undecided.
Most polling shows that, if there was an election today, Biden would lose pretty badly.
If you simply agree or disagree, is that likely to change anyone’s planned voting behavior? If you continue to insult the people who do not currently plan to vote for Biden, do you think that will change their minds?
That’s just voting for Trump with extra steps.
No it isn’t
I believe you if you’re logging in from the multiverse instance where West polls at over 40%, or the one where federal rank choice voting exists.
Do you want ranked choice voting?
I have it in my area for city / county seats. And I voted for it.
You specified federal. Thats available to vote for too you know
Yes. I like ranked choice, I have voted in favor of it in the past, and I would be in support of it for more elections. Including federal elections.
Don’t have to believe me, you already made yourself sound like an idiot with that claim, my vote is for the person I voted for, nobody else.
This ain’t no big revelation to anyone. Since the 1960’s Republicans have relied on liberal voter’s apathy to win seats in government. It’s liberalism’s greatest weakness and failure - the belief that someone else should be responsible because they can’t be bothered.
Since the 1960’s Republicans have relied on liberal voter’s apathy to win seats
Makes you wonder why Democrats continue to foster that apathy.
A controlled opposition
how?
For example when Obama had the power to codify Roe v. Wade he didn’t.
The more conservative BS you let the DNC get away with, the more you back Trump. Im not gonna vote for conservatives no matter how bad one of em is.
There has never been a wider gap between the Democrats and the Republicans than there is right now.
I get it you want to prove your hardcore che guevara t-shirt socialist cred. But you want to be credible at all you gotta at least sometimes look at the facts.
what a chasm of a gap. Except for like, immigration now https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/28/senate-dems-asylum-ukraine-money-00128970
Perfect example. Trump says he wants to deport people that were born in the US (which obviously isn’t legal). Call in the military, shoot people attempting to cross the border. Texas is putting barbed wire on the border, the the Federal government (that’s Biden) is opposing it. They want the border completely shut down and people of certain ethnicity banned.
The Dems want additional judges to process asylum applications faster. Which is good for everyone. There are some bad things in the bill, but Biden doesn’t have to enforce them and the courts will likely overturn them like they did with Trump’s Muslim ban. Getting the additional judges and staff needed to deal with the backlog of asylum claims is super important and will lessen the hardship on immigrants seeking asylum.
So explain to me how trying to get asylum claims processed faster is exactly the same thing as Trump’s Muslim ban? Or building a wall? Or shooting people?
Its a federal border. That barbed wire is his barbed wire. This is his presidency, this is how he is running the border.
There are some bad things in the bill, but Biden doesn’t have to enforce them and the courts will likely overturn them like they did with Trump’s Muslim ban.
You do realize i have absolutely zero trust in Biden and this hinges on blind faith in Biden. Or at least youre arguing it does, i dont think Biden has any ability to control the bad things like fewer asylum approvals. Democrats, including Biden, have been using the same rhetoric as republicans, actively appealing to conservatives, assuring them they want a “stronger border”
Its a federal border. That barbed wire is his barbed wire.
You haven’t been following the news. The Texas Governor put the barbed wire there. The Supreme Court upheld that he was able to do so(because of course they did). Biden is trying to remove it.
Maybe try diversifying your news sources beyond TikTok.
And elect Trump. Cool. Nice principles. Hope they keep you warm in the camps while you watch your family dragged away and killed. Or maybe it will be your neighbors and not your problem bc you’re not a target demographic. Yet. Thanks for your service hero. You’re affecting change with all your logic and practical action.
You’re electing Trump by not allowing any viable candidates to be considered
Who’s viable besides Trump and Biden?
entirely up to the voters to decide.
They did. Now it’s time for the general election, and those 2 are the choices.
When did they?
March 12.
I tried to vote, but the DNC cancelled the Democratic primary in my state.
You have another vote coming up.
In any case, no they didn’t. The Democratic National Convention didn’t cancel any state primaries. Your state party did. Your local Democrats decided to not have a primary.
That’s not how it happened. Yeah, sure, it’s technically up to the state party, but it was at the request of the DNC. There is authority, and then there is soft power.
Getting to pick between two candidates chosen for me by oligarchs doesn’t seem like Democracy to me.
And now we’re into conspiracy theory territory.
That’s usually a clue that you’re wrong about something.
Public information bro. Conspiracies actually do happen BTW. We have a former president being charged with involvement in several of you haven’t been keeping up with the news
They do happen but they’re rare. That’s why they’re in the news.
Generally speaking, you should think “maybe I’m wrong” before you think “there’s a conspiracy”.
“National party exerts pressure on state party” is hardly a great plot for an X-files episode. And that’s assuming it took more than a polite phone call
It would honestly be harder to believe that a state party would exclude someone from the ballot without at least discussing it with the national party.
Still their decision. And the reasoning for their decision was not arbitrary. Some no-name candidate didn’t qualify in time. That’s not a conspiracy.
Well, this is a fun discussion!
…Anyways, I like to think that the title implies you’re supposed to vote more than once lol
It also implies that not voting for Trump somehow counts more than voting for Trump does
I had difficulty parsing the article title. I thought it meant that not voting means you back trump (since this is a common narrative by democrat supporters), but actually it’s saying that people who vote less consistently support trump more.
I had difficulty parsing the article title.
That’s because it was deliberately written to be misleading. Don’t imply that that’s your fault, it’s a standard trash clickbait headline.
so is the line now that even though the biden administrations policies are wildly unpopular there’s no reason to be worried or examine support held for the party because the turnout will make up the difference?
shoo!
You were probably taught in school that democracy is a wondrous ideal thing.
When you become an adult you realize democracy isn’t about voting for who you like the most. It’s about preventing bad people from getting power. You will never get to vote for some ideal perfect person, and even if you did the general muddiness of politics would prevent that person from being able to make the change they want.
Yes, it’s “the line” now. But to be more accurate, it’s always been the line.
Uhh…
If you support Biden or hope that he’s elected this article should deeply disturb you.
Polls are looking bad recently and instead of having a party line of “we’re gonna change, we recognize that no one wants to suffer under rising inflation while their government supports a genocide.” They’re saying “it’s fine that the polls are bad, our supporters will come out and vote for us no matter what”.
I’m Canadian, and judging from history things tend to go badly for countries that neighbour fascist countries with a powerful military. So yeah I want Old Joe to continue to be President.
But I’m not too worried about polling, they were off in 2016 because they people considered unlikely voters actually did vote, and they voted for Trump. So the statisticians compensated for this and they were much closer to the mark in 2020, but still somewhat under-counted Trump support. So they have to compensate some more. But my gut feeling is that a siginificant of the unlikely voters that turned out for Trump in the past two elections probably won’t turn out for him again. But statistics is a scientific thing, they can’t just mark Trump supporters as unlikely voters again because of a gut feeling. They have to follow the process and do the math without any gut feelings about it.
So… the polls about support for Trump aren’t reliable at all. So no point in worrying about them one way or another.
The real concern right now is how young people are pushed into some strange politics by social media. The Olds are going to vote the way they always do, and there’s less of them with each passing day. The kids are getting sucked into accelerationist doomerism so who knows what will happen there. Constant emotional manipulation on social media can send people down some dark paths. I used to think the kids are alright, but I’m not so sure anymore.
That’s not what I’m talking about.
Media saying that it’s fine democrats are pursuing wildly unpopular policies because they have a durable support base is bad.
It doesn’t matter if it’s true (it’s not) or if that kind of thinking has been the norm in Washington forever (it has).
You never want to treat voters like they don’t have a choice, even if you believe it.
This is how they turn a huge swath of potential electorate into “Biden, hell no” people, just like me.
so does this include the US dissidents not allowed to vote legally?
fuck that
politicians like Biden crafted and wrote laws over the years that culminated in mine and others votes being taken away
not our fault people keep voting Demopublicans in
we need to get rid of both these corporate bought parties
[Citation Needed]
“Everyone should only vote Democrat, and only vote for Biden.” Sincerely, Lemmy.
“Otherwise democracy dies. We can tolerate a genocide but not another Trump presidency”.
you think trump winning means genocide is gone?
No, both parties are the same. Trump hates Palestinians just as much as Biden does.
