“All they are trying to do is convince us that there is some kind of movement toward where we want,” Siblani said. “But it’s too slow and it’s dragging. It’s more death and casualties that are happening.”
The highest-profile example of the stonewalling came last week when a Palestinian American doctor walked out of a meeting with Biden. But interviews with Muslim and Arab American leaders reveal how that face-to-face protest was only the most conspicuous case of a fracture that has damaged crucial relationships and closed avenues needed to repair them.
But the situation presents a challenge for a president who believes in the political power of personal relationships and has prized his history of sitting down with opponents and critics. It could also jeopardize his reelection this year, with some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, to the White House.
Salam Al-Marayati, who lives in Los Angeles and leads the Muslim Public Affairs Council, described the attitude as, “Forget them. They have to learn a lesson. And if they lose, that’s the lesson they should learn.”
I just hope they vote third party. No reason to support either candidate.
“Take that, face!” says man cutting off own nose.
The nose is getting cut off by either candidate in this situation. Biden has pulled strings we all wish would’ve been pulled for something like saving the student debt foregivness but instead he did it to continue supplying and funding a genocide.
Trump will do it so much better then, he’ll tell the Israelis to finish what they started and give them more kaboom.
How about we focus on stopping genocide. If you live outside the ~5 states that decide the election then you should be voting for a third party.
It’s a good thing the Donald Trump who moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem totally wouldn’t support Israeli genocide, isn’t it?
Clearly Donald trump wont be any better and that clearly wasn’t my point. To people who are trying to stop this genocide going “The other guys isn’t going to be any better” instead of also trying to stop the genocide isn’t going to convince them to come to your side.
Surly trump will do better, right guys?
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Insane? Compared to Trump? Not even a race.
Biden doesn’t get anyone fired up because he is the drab and boring choice. Against Trump he is the perfect candidate.
Once Trump drops out of politics you will see more options on the field. It’s going to be a while before we get another Obama.
Boringly supporting genocide wholeheartedly. By the way, sorry to break it to you, but once trump drops out of politics, we’ll just get the next bad guy of the week. It never ends.
Trump was an aggressive leap forward in shittyness. I suspect his departure from politics will drain a lot of the swamp.
I thought the same when bush jr left office. Imagine my surprise when democrats continued many of his terrible policies (corporate/bank bailouts without punishing those responsible, warmongering, the surveillance state, etc) while also trying to rehabilitate that war criminal’s image. Maybe trump won’t get his image rehabilitated, but many of his terrible policies will continue (and they have, like the border issue and trade war with China).
You know bush wasn’t a democrat, right?
If you’re an American it seems like your choices really are between Biden and his slow genocide or Trump with his quick one.
It doesn’t seem like you can really rely on your political leaders to help resolve this conflict in a way that doesn’t lead to more suffering and death, only the pace at which it happens. If those are the only two options, I don’t blame Muslim and Arab Americans for giving up on Biden.
I think it would just be more honest to acknowledge there’s no real support amongst any American political leadership to minimise the suffering of either the Palestinian or Israeli people.
What suffering of the Israelis? They’re partying and listening to shitty techno music and getting showered in free American money and weapons.
Palestinians are living in tents and starving. They’d love to be subjected to America’s treatment of Israel.
Both Palestinians and Israelis see each other as existential threats. Ignoring this basic reality means there will always be conflict in the region.
Palestinians are suffering en masse right now, I don’t think anyone reasonable is denying that.
But what do you think happens if the underlying, justifiable, fear that they each have of the isn’t addressed? There will be more massacres and more war, and like in every war, innocent people will pay the price.
Israelis massive victim complex juxtaposed with then acting like Nazi’s doesn’t somehow make both sides equal.
So what do you propose to stop Israeli aggression towards Palestine?
The next time their music festivals get attacked and people kidnapped they should just be ok with it?
This is reversing cause and effect.
Israel is currently massively terrorizing the West Bank. They have recently committed the largest land theft there in decades expanding their Lebensraum for their Ubermensch.
Somehow this doesn’t matter. Somehow whatever israel does to other people is entirely irrelevant until they fight back. That is where the conflict must start. Not at the 20 year long brutal occupation and regular terror bombing of Gaza by israel.
We can expect Palestinians in the West Bank to start resisting against israels brutal Nazi regime as well. And then you can post more about music festivals (forget the 33% military kills btw)
Or we can tell israel to stop doing Nazi shit right now so those oppressed people in the West Bank don’t have a reason to fight back.
Maybe they should start sharing some words with Hamas about releasing the hostages and surrendering so that the war can end.
Israel has said they will continue their Genocide if Hamas releases the hostages.
Nice to see some people don’t support Genocide. If only more people had those moral standards a third party would win. Too bad libs will excuse Genocide for their God Emperor Joe Biden.
some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump
Yep, these people are fucking morons.
The true morons are biden and his supporters who think supporting genocide is more important than winning the election. Stop supporting genocide and you get their votes. Seems like a win-win, but I guess biden and his supporters think that’s too much winning. Typical democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Yeah, they’re morons for refusing to vote for a guy killing their friends and families. Maybe you should work harder to move the Dems away from supporting genocide.
They’re not voting for Trump either. They’re exercising their democratic rights. Biden should earn their votes, not be entitled to it because one guy is less overt about doing genocide.
You have a gun with one bullet. Should you shoot the guy who says he’s going to stab someone or shoot the guy who says he’s going to blow up a daycare full of children? Hmm. Better exercise your moral highground and do nothing. That’ll show’em!
At what point will you be asking yourself why it is that you are being forced to make choices like that? If you normalize this, you are signing on to it.
The people walking away from Biden refuses to do so… and your only response is to smugly lecture them?
Yeah… Trump is going to be your next president. This whole “lesser evilism” bullshit the Dems have been peddling for years now was going to hit rock-bottom at one point or the other. Guess what… that time is now.
What a nonsense imaginary situation you’ve made up to excuse your favored genocider-in-chief. If you ever wonder how the Holocaust could’ve been allowed to happened, just look at your own posts trying to justify genocide happening right now.
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If he wasn’t fixated on supporting this genocide
It’s not Biden - Israel being a holy cow is untouchable policy, not politics. Israel is immune from US politics - and people in the US who doesn’t want to sign on to genocidal white supremacism have run straight into that wall (a wall that wasn’t supposed to be in a supposedly “democratic” state) and don’t really know what to do.
I don’t envy you.
it’s not a kind of cut off one’s nose to spite one’s face fucking morons. If they don’t do that, they’ll be played around over and over again. If they’ll do that, it will be a lesson not to trivialise their importance. When Trump is back it can be worse but now the sentiment around the world is changing, which can help to control Trump which which will deem him to be at the same level with Bibi which will leave him isolated, which is good. So, it’s not moronic but a rather calculated risk.
Yeah sure, Trump will surely be controlled
Just like Franz von Papen ensured Hitler could be easily controlled once Hitler was in a position of power:
“In two months, we will have pushed Hitler so far into a corner, he squeaks!”
- January, 1933
Not that kind of control. Much like the way Bibi is being controlled right now,
in which of nowin which as of now he would already have a full ground attack on Rafah if not because of the dwindle support from the world community. The ‘Good’ guy needs the support of world community to maintain its moral legitimacy; if not they will have to transform into being the bad guy - which is not the option for the US. The hypothetical Trump can choose that path but he will further be isolated and the US will no longer hold the reverent supremacy as before. This is never the favorable path in line with the long term geopolitical strategy of either the US or Israel.
Gottemmmm. That’ll get them to vote for the person financing the deaths of their families for sure!
Moron.
We don’t get good support from this one guy, so we want to make it so the guy who promises to fuck you over gets elected.
" some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump" …who will be eager to urge Israel to “finish” the job".
And then Trump puts in his Muslim ban.
