• OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee
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    5 months ago

    Everyone was very much screaming guy when Israel hit the Iranian embassy. It’s not who’s doing the bombing that’s the difference, it’s that Israel and Hamas bombing each other happens all the time, Iran and Israel bombing each other is a step level up in intensity, evidence of a growing war.

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      No not at all. Everyone was mostly focused on white people getting murdered by israels Genocide. It was a truly eventful day of israeli war crimes after which Joe Biden still fully supports israel and doesn’t place restrictions on arms usage.

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          To an American, none of these people (Israelis, Iranians, Palestinians) are white. I don’t know why it even got brought up alongside select headlines of the day.

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        That is incorrect. Biden stated that he contacted Netanyahu after the attack and insisted on diplomatic response. There is no reason to expect this to escalate.

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            The only other time Biden pressed Netanyahu was after the aid workers attack. He said they needed to open more corridors to aid immediately. The IDF opened three corridors the next day. Words are all Biden needs at this time. He should use them more.

            There are already restrictions on the arms. They are required to be used within international law. I agree that the IDF should be held accountable for their misuse.

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              That is incorrect as well. Israel lied about opening a corridor

              A border crossing from Israel into northern Gaza remains closed a week after Israel promised to open it for deliveries of aid, as a top US official warned that famine has begun.

              And forced trucks to split their loads in half to double count them

              Israel said 419 trucks entered Gaza on Monday, while UNRWA said only 223 trucks had come. OCHA says the Israeli count is for the half-full trucks that enter the Strip, while the UN count is of the new convoy of re-loaded, full trucks that then complete the delivery.

              “Trucks that go in, screened by COGAT, are typically only half-full. That is a requirement that they have put in place for screening purposes. When we count the trucks on the other side, when they have been reloaded, they are full,” he said.

              So aside from israel faking numbers not much has changed. The famine has officially started.

              Aid ‘still not reaching Gaza’, as top US official warns famine has started

              A key port has not been opened to aid shipments, and a new crossing into northern Gaza has officially opened but UN agencies are not yet allowed to use it, even though they provide the vast majority of food aid for the territory.

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      You can’t really condemn Hamas (for offensive actions. Their treatment of other Palestinians isn’t great). They’re killing Nazis. Killing Nazis is always good. If you think otherwise, you are a Nazi.

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        The problem with that thinking is how easy it is to call someone a Nazi (or a terrorist) to legitimize killing them.

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          Okay what do you call inhuman genocidal racial supremacist nonsense monsters, deep into fascism, treating a list of atrocities as a to-do while exterminating a group of people who never harmed them until the genocide started for fantasy nonsense reasons, and trying to murder the very concept of truth while they do it to cover their asses and keep the heat off of their giant concentration camp, using the justification that they ‘need the space’?

          They’re Nazis.

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              See now there’s the problem of your use of the word. It has lost all meaning and weight.

              It doesn’t bother me in the slightest to be called that by you after seeing how you use it.

              ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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              There is no such thing as being a Nazi because of pointing out other people’s possible misuse or abuse of the word Nazi, just like pointing out the misuse of the word Terrorism doesn’t make one a Terrorist.

              I’m starting to think that you’re hasbara making clearly derranged uses of the word Nazi to indirectly help Israel by diffusing the point that Zionist behaviour is the closest there is to Nazi behaviour in the modern era.

              If you’re not, then try and not reduce your thinking to one word slogans that you hammer into everything (like a square peg on a round hole) so as not to destroy valid arguments for yourself and others.

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        So by your logic, because I disapprove of massacring people dancing at a music festival I am now a Nazi, and you consider my murder to be a good? Is that your pitch?

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          The music festival bit again lmfao

          I can prove with the videos how Hamas didn’t start that, but instead let me tell you that the philosophical stance here is that if you go to a place where active genocide is happening, and there is a literal concentration camp merely kilometers from you, it is exactly the same as propping up a music festival in Auschwitz or Nazi’s death camps in Poland.

          As such, I stand that those people are fucking scum and shouldn’t be cried for. Fuck them

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          They were colonists dancing on stolen land. The people they stole it from killed a few of them. They probably still had the keys to the buildings from when they lived there.

          I don’t really care what they were doing. You could make a moral argument if I killed them, but anything any Palestinian does to any “Israeli” is always justified as self defense, under any conditions.

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            Do you believe in justified massacres more broadly too? Would Sahrawis slaughtering Moroccan settlers or Kypriots killing Turkish settlers also be good things?

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          I’m a Nazi, you’re a Nazi, everyone who disagrees with them is one. That’s how it works now. The word has lost all meaning.

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            I think if youre running a giant concentration camp and trying to murder truth, while exterminating people for fantasy nonsense reasons, and literally going down the list of atrocities as a to-do list, youve earned it more than most.