Which are basically controlled by the corporations. My point is that there are many people who want to do more and several groups trying to make it happen. They aren’t up against an easy fight. So when a small win happens like plastic straw bans, maybe we can want more without dismissing it as bullshit.
Banning straws (generally, single-use plastics) as well as non-attached bottlecaps is the most effective way to keep EU beaches clean. They had a look at what’s out there and those were the big offenders that could be addressed so they’re doing it.
…also the only bad thing about those silicone straws I bought is that they’re too short for bottles. It really is the ideal material for the application.
I’m sure that something could be done, but it surely isn’t going to help with beach littering. Even if some coal ends up on the beach that’s really not an issue.
You could always not buy their completely non essential products, but suggesting that rarely gets a good reception from the “obsessively whining about straws” crows.
Or we can acknowledge that our society is not conducive to the type of living required to effect change in the way necessary to solve this. That boycotts do not work, and historically the best course of action would be to put controls on the corporations backed with actual teeth. Blaming the consumer is ineffectual if the goal is to actual solve the problem. But works if the goal is to defer blame to not have to fix the problem
More than one person is to blame. For example, within every single corporation, decisions are often made by committee and even when it’s a unilateral decision, others can speak out if it’s an immoral one.
Yes obviously companies being irresponsible is the biggest problem, but sitting on our hands at home because we can’t make as much of a difference adds up and I’m sick of seeing it excused. Your argument will be used as an excuse to be lazy more often than not.
I am not excusing laziness. I am just not interested in assigning blame. I am recognizing that when given the choice people will choose what they are used to, what is easy, and what is cheap. It is not in human nature to sacrifice the tangible to achieve nebulous and incalculably small overall change, especially when it’s out of sight out of mind. You are wasting your breath attempting to guilt every individual on the planet into living in a commune. You don’t even practice what you preach. It is a waste of time, and It. Will. Not. Work.
On a practicality standpoint. If you really want to solve this problem, the single most effective route is to regulate corporations. In places that the government did not regulate the use of asbestos, it is still in use for example.
Trick, unless you want to go all ecoterrorist right now, which I admit is looking enticing, the best plan of action is to put up corporate regulation. Finding a path forward to that, where individuals can sign petitions and get those enacted into laws, is probably the best path forward as destroying existing infrastructure will also hurt people and society.
the best plan of action is to put up corporate regulation
Obviously. People apparently just can’t seem to understand nuance. Either it’s all one group’s fault or all another’s. Also, it has to be a blame game. As if suggesting people try to minimize their home waste is somehow justifying corporate negligence…
I hate corporations so I am going to continue buying sugary bullshit that I don’t need, and get pissed off at anyone who suggests I give the worst polluters less of my money
You did not listen to what i had said, you just repeated what was said above.
There are problems with blaming the individual. One is that you are not naming the individual, when you appeal to a nebulous blame, no one is at fault. Also, the sugary drinks you are referring to, are laced with the worlds 2 most addictive substances, has their impact on people lies about in falsified studies, and lobbies against its regulation by…. Corporations.
Blaming the individual is inefficient. And not conducive to actual change
As far as i know there have been no regulations from the government over the use of plastic straws. Some companies use paper straws, but the market for plastic straws have largely not noticed, meaning the choice alone has not solved the problem. The problem remains. Regulation on the sale of plastic straws would have an immediate impact on the amount of straw plastic waste
Don’t worry about these big guys. The straws are gonna save the planet.
Said no one ever.
People so mad about straws act like you cannot possibly work against a problem in more than a single way.
The problem is we are not trying multiple ways. We only try the ineffective ones to avoid trying the effective ones.
And by “we” you mean actually “corporations”? Of course they aren’t willing to blame and fine themselves for saving money.
By “we” I mean the governments we elect.
Which are basically controlled by the corporations. My point is that there are many people who want to do more and several groups trying to make it happen. They aren’t up against an easy fight. So when a small win happens like plastic straw bans, maybe we can want more without dismissing it as bullshit.
Banning straws (generally, single-use plastics) as well as non-attached bottlecaps is the most effective way to keep EU beaches clean. They had a look at what’s out there and those were the big offenders that could be addressed so they’re doing it.
…also the only bad thing about those silicone straws I bought is that they’re too short for bottles. It really is the ideal material for the application.
Yeah, the beach nearest to me just had a coal power plant reactivated last year. Nothing we can do about that though.
I’m sure that something could be done, but it surely isn’t going to help with beach littering. Even if some coal ends up on the beach that’s really not an issue.
You could always not buy their completely non essential products, but suggesting that rarely gets a good reception from the “obsessively whining about straws” crows.
Oh yay, blame the consumers not the ones making the trash, worked so well the past 50 years
Nah consume consume consume, shirk blame
Actively reject education, then refuse any blame. That sounds like the best plan!!
Or we can acknowledge that our society is not conducive to the type of living required to effect change in the way necessary to solve this. That boycotts do not work, and historically the best course of action would be to put controls on the corporations backed with actual teeth. Blaming the consumer is ineffectual if the goal is to actual solve the problem. But works if the goal is to defer blame to not have to fix the problem
More than one person is to blame. For example, within every single corporation, decisions are often made by committee and even when it’s a unilateral decision, others can speak out if it’s an immoral one.
Yes obviously companies being irresponsible is the biggest problem, but sitting on our hands at home because we can’t make as much of a difference adds up and I’m sick of seeing it excused. Your argument will be used as an excuse to be lazy more often than not.
I am not excusing laziness. I am just not interested in assigning blame. I am recognizing that when given the choice people will choose what they are used to, what is easy, and what is cheap. It is not in human nature to sacrifice the tangible to achieve nebulous and incalculably small overall change, especially when it’s out of sight out of mind. You are wasting your breath attempting to guilt every individual on the planet into living in a commune. You don’t even practice what you preach. It is a waste of time, and It. Will. Not. Work.
On a practicality standpoint. If you really want to solve this problem, the single most effective route is to regulate corporations. In places that the government did not regulate the use of asbestos, it is still in use for example.
Trick, unless you want to go all ecoterrorist right now, which I admit is looking enticing, the best plan of action is to put up corporate regulation. Finding a path forward to that, where individuals can sign petitions and get those enacted into laws, is probably the best path forward as destroying existing infrastructure will also hurt people and society.
uh what?
Obviously. People apparently just can’t seem to understand nuance. Either it’s all one group’s fault or all another’s. Also, it has to be a blame game. As if suggesting people try to minimize their home waste is somehow justifying corporate negligence…
I hate corporations so I am going to continue buying sugary bullshit that I don’t need, and get pissed off at anyone who suggests I give the worst polluters less of my money
-the anti corporate position.
You did not listen to what i had said, you just repeated what was said above.
There are problems with blaming the individual. One is that you are not naming the individual, when you appeal to a nebulous blame, no one is at fault. Also, the sugary drinks you are referring to, are laced with the worlds 2 most addictive substances, has their impact on people lies about in falsified studies, and lobbies against its regulation by…. Corporations.
Blaming the individual is inefficient. And not conducive to actual change
so instead we get pissy about plastic straws, a regulation imposed on corporations by the government.
As far as i know there have been no regulations from the government over the use of plastic straws. Some companies use paper straws, but the market for plastic straws have largely not noticed, meaning the choice alone has not solved the problem. The problem remains. Regulation on the sale of plastic straws would have an immediate impact on the amount of straw plastic waste
Nah nah see if we can’t solve it ourselves at home fully then we should just point our fingers and pretend that’s all we can do. /s
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Dafuq
I’ve been trying this for decades, but it hasn’t put a dent in the global growth of waste.
Yeah you pretty much need to end Citizens United and ban corporate lobbying to even start talking about regulating correctly.