Manifestantes dizem ter sido vítimas de violência racista e xenófoba, ameaças de morte e pontapés. Confrontos físicos aconteceram esta sexta-feira à tarde, junto à estátua de D. Dinis, na Universidade de Coimbra, onde decorria uma manifestação pacífica.
Yes, an average russian or Israeli person is not likely to have directly participated in the recent events.
The catch, though, it’s that by not opposing the actions of their governments, they DO contribute to the events indirectly. They pay taxes. They work at factories producing weapons. They make the food that the soldiers eat.
On top of that it’s not russian government who’s currently pulling the triggers and dropping bombs. Just regular folks who just follow orders.
Yes, protesting in russia is not easy, but the war keeps going on because the government sees that people aren’t worried too much about it.
And yes, in both countries there are people who actively oppose, but the majority doesn’t.
I used to think a bit on this line. But as I watched the rise of Trump I came to realize that most of his supporters were simply dupped by his lies, and manipulated because of human nature. Many aren’t bad people, but they honestly believe what they have been told. So thier crime is being human, and what turns out to be an average amount gullible.
We really need to find a way to hold the leaders accountable.
That’s pretty much the point of banality of evil - you don’t need an extraordinary assembly of psychopaths to run a fascist regime. All it takes is a group of loud populists, generally discontent crowd and, boom, you have “make Germany great again”.
After ww2 finished, both Germanies discovered that they don’t really have enough people without Nazi past that could run the country. So most folks just went back to work to slightly renamed workplaces.
Does that mean they were not complicit? They were and the winners made sure Germans would learn about what they caused.
I guess the only excuse back the was that they didn’t know better. But we do.
Sounds like you are saying it’s the leaders and such, not the crowd. I agree. I don’t blame the rank and file for being dupped by people they were raised to trust.
I’m the opposite. I believe Trump supporters are fully responsible for their own actions. If they go and kill someone, I don’t fucking care if Trump told them to do it when they had other choices. Unless these people are so mentally deficient that they’d need constant care and legal guardians to make decisions for them then they are completely capable of choosing to not be shit heads.
Israels population continued to vote for Netanyahu or even worse fascists and even the so called “center” and “center left” have been largely in support of continued settler colonial displacements and ethnic cleansings. Still a majority is in support of the current genocide.
The opposition to being a white supremacists “Blut und Boden, Lebensraum” Fascist state are in the small minority unfortunately.
And Germans have to take the responsibility for the atrocities of the Nazi time yes. What are you on about? If people vote for a government in a democratic election they bear responsibility for it. Not individually but as a people.
Also the Germans voted Hitler once and then there were no more elections. Israel had 11 elections since Netanyahu first came into power. And also the non Netanyahu governments continued the “settlements” aka ethnic cleansing of the West Bank.
The people of Russia aren’t guilty of anything.
In principle, the same is true of Israelites.
We don’t judge a people by their nation state. That’s how atrocities get normalized.
Here’s some read for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem#Banality_of_evil
Yes, an average russian or Israeli person is not likely to have directly participated in the recent events.
The catch, though, it’s that by not opposing the actions of their governments, they DO contribute to the events indirectly. They pay taxes. They work at factories producing weapons. They make the food that the soldiers eat.
On top of that it’s not russian government who’s currently pulling the triggers and dropping bombs. Just regular folks who just follow orders.
Yes, protesting in russia is not easy, but the war keeps going on because the government sees that people aren’t worried too much about it.
And yes, in both countries there are people who actively oppose, but the majority doesn’t.
And that majority is complicit.
I used to think a bit on this line. But as I watched the rise of Trump I came to realize that most of his supporters were simply dupped by his lies, and manipulated because of human nature. Many aren’t bad people, but they honestly believe what they have been told. So thier crime is being human, and what turns out to be an average amount gullible. We really need to find a way to hold the leaders accountable.
That’s pretty much the point of banality of evil - you don’t need an extraordinary assembly of psychopaths to run a fascist regime. All it takes is a group of loud populists, generally discontent crowd and, boom, you have “make Germany great again”.
After ww2 finished, both Germanies discovered that they don’t really have enough people without Nazi past that could run the country. So most folks just went back to work to slightly renamed workplaces.
Does that mean they were not complicit? They were and the winners made sure Germans would learn about what they caused.
I guess the only excuse back the was that they didn’t know better. But we do.
Sounds like you are saying it’s the leaders and such, not the crowd. I agree. I don’t blame the rank and file for being dupped by people they were raised to trust.
I’m the opposite. I believe Trump supporters are fully responsible for their own actions. If they go and kill someone, I don’t fucking care if Trump told them to do it when they had other choices. Unless these people are so mentally deficient that they’d need constant care and legal guardians to make decisions for them then they are completely capable of choosing to not be shit heads.
Israels population continued to vote for Netanyahu or even worse fascists and even the so called “center” and “center left” have been largely in support of continued settler colonial displacements and ethnic cleansings. Still a majority is in support of the current genocide.
The opposition to being a white supremacists “Blut und Boden, Lebensraum” Fascist state are in the small minority unfortunately.
…and Germans voted for Hitler.
Americans did and will again vote for trump. That doesn’t mean all Americans want what he wants.
Y’all are fucking ridiculous. It’s alarming.
And Germans have to take the responsibility for the atrocities of the Nazi time yes. What are you on about? If people vote for a government in a democratic election they bear responsibility for it. Not individually but as a people.
Also the Germans voted Hitler once and then there were no more elections. Israel had 11 elections since Netanyahu first came into power. And also the non Netanyahu governments continued the “settlements” aka ethnic cleansing of the West Bank.
Ok now try pointing out that Gazans voted for Hamas. I’ll get the popcorn.