Google 1970s Iran vs now. It’s an interesting contrast of how quickly societies can change; and some would argue, not towards the future but backwards.

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    And yet Tankies still “critically support” modern Iran

    Edit: Lmao, Tankies dont like it when you provide documented (by their own side) proof that they’re in love with fascist governments

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        My point is look at the list of highlighted allies, and if your set of values is similar to theirs, maybe rethink whether or not you are an ally of lgbtq people or even treating people with decency. If you guys critically support Russia and Iran, maybe we critically support the West?

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          There is a section above that lists nations that they support and a section below that they critically support. The ones above are the ones who’s values they align with. The ones below are “enemies of my enemies”. That is what critical support means.

          Take a good hard look at the middle east and its recent history and tell me that Iran is the problem. Look at Israel, the Saudi Kingdom and the Islamic republic seriously:

          • who has committed the most genocide?
          • who is the most homophobic?
          • who spreads the most terrorists?
          • who oppresses their women the most?
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            And back to you, who in that critically support category is currently freaking their neighbors out the most because they’ve made it clear they want to reclaim their old glory and old country (aka imperial) borders? As well as openly assasinates citizens of other countries IN said countries? And sure, lets go a step above where it says you fully align with their values, China’s track record with LGBTQ rights, while not the worst comparitably, isn’t particularly great, and when it comes to how they treat minorities the Uyghur people would like a word and so would the falun gong.

            At least with Republicans in the US, they are open about hating gay people and minorities, yet the Prole Wiki pretends like it gives a shit.

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              who in that critically support category is currently freaking their neighbors out the most because they’ve made it clear they want to reclaim their old glory and old country (aka imperial) borders

              Are you referring to Russia? Because Putin’s never said “hey let’s re-conquest the old Russian Empire”, he’s actually been pretty consistent at saying “hey I don’t want NATO touching my border”.

              You seem to have a very distorted view of reality, which is frankly a result of all of the propaganda you have consumed and adopted uncritically into your worldview. The Uyghurs are healthier and wealthier now than they have ever been as a result of Chinese anti-poverty and modernization programs, and the Falun Gong were always a cult on the level of Scientology who needed to be broken up and their members deprogrammed before they convinced more innocent people to kill themselves in acts of protest against teaching science in schools.

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              I see you didn’t answer my question and are now pivoting to Russia and China when the subject of the thread is Iran. But I’ll take the time to point out the inconsistencies here:

              • currently freaking their neighbors out the most right and the US freaks out nations in other continents. See, Iraq, Vietnam, all of south america.
              • As well as openly assasinates citizens of other countries IN said countries? The US does this all over the world at an industrial scale. Are you really unaware of the extent of the drone program?
              • China’s track record with LGBTQ rights, I’m sure stoking sinophobia will help them.
              • You point at the Uyghurs. I point at the Native Americans, the Palestinians, and all the genocide the colonial empires of NATO have perpetrated. Shall we compare death tolls? Please find me a Uyghur death toll.
              • Falong Gong. Are you fucking kidding me? Giving a shit about that trumpist cult has to say is directly injecting Radio Free Asia into your eyeballs.
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                    Who’s denying the Palestinian Genocide?

                    Also I didnt respond to your question because yeah? I dont like Saudi’s ISIS or the Taliban either? Still doesnt mean that it doesnt take some gymnastics to blame the imperialists for causing the current government Iran has while ignoring that anti-imperialists are listing said government as a supported ally.

                    “currently freaking their neighbors out the most right and the US freaks out nations in other continents. See, Iraq, Vietnam, all of south america.”

                    and if you are from one of those nations, I can understand why you might prefer China to the States (Although at least one of those is probably equally wary of China),but to prefer Russia in power over the States is jist blind insanity at this point

                    “As well as openly assasinates citizens of other countries IN said countries? The US does this all over the world at an industrial scale. Are you really unaware of the extent of the drone program?”

                    There was a reason I said openly. The States’ secret agencies probably do a lot of political assassinations, but they absolutely dont openly and undeniably assasinate other countries citizens that they arent at war with like Russia does with its tea poisoned with a nuclear isotope only Russia makes

                    “China’s track record with LGBTQ rights, I’m sure stoking sinophobia will help them.”

                    So theres nothing bigotted about criticizing the US, but any legitimate fingers pointed at China is Sinophobia? Nice diversion from China not being a great country to idolize if you care about gay people tho!

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      National liberation is a prerequisite for socialist liberation. Marx correctly observed this back in his own day, and directed socialists to support struggles against the British Empire even if the leaders of those struggles weren’t socialist. Nowadays we support national liberation from the American Empire for much the same reasons, even if those revolutions and their leaders aren’t perfect.

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        Those revolutions and their leaders are the exact opposite of who I want or am willing to give power to, and if you think they are the path forward to a better future you are a dangerous fool

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          If you think that shackling the entire world to the American Empire is the path forward to a better future, then you are just a regular fool.