Unlike others, Singham actually did give away significant parts of his fortune. He gave it to leftist causes — and that’s why he, as well as his life partner Jodie Evans, a founder of Code Pink and a leading political activist, were targeted.
ETA: NYT Reveals That a Tech Mogul Likes China—and That McCarthyism Is Alive and Well
I’m conflicted. The article is justified in it’s argument that the Times seems to provide escalating rhetoric to prepare the US for possible hostility/conflict, and I don’t support them smearing someone like was described in the article…however I don’t support these activists either. I think we can be pro-humanity without being pro-China. I’m not okay with the actions of the Chinese government and what they’ve systematically done to the minorities of their country and their constant aggressive stances in the South China Sea, their posturing over Taiwan, and the takeover of Hong Kong.
How can solidarity be the answer when both sides are unreasonable? Do you support a warmongering and hostile newspaper rhetoric, or a self-described Marxist, Maoist (pro-communist), pro-China activist?
So you’re another one of those ‘anything but an AES state’ types, if not just an absolute fuckin lib. What are you, some kind of martyr fetishist? The only activists you can get it up for got to have failed their movements and been re-subsumed by the Great Satan? China has never tried to surveil me. Never sent the feds to my home. Never made me worry about whether the next time I leave my house is when I get publicly lynched because the settlers aren’t house-broken anymore. Y’know who has done all that, though? Amerika.
So nah, my solidarity’s with the activists working toward bettering this planet, regardless of how close they are with China. Never a State Department-controlled rag like the Times, or anyone who ups that garbage. Death to it.
And another thing…I’m not even remotely “anything but an AES state”. I 100% feel that we need to head to a more socialist/social-democracy style of governance but fuck off if you think that becoming a China-style communist-controlled authoritarian government is some fantastic shift in ideology.
Socialdemocrats are imperialists who want a bigger share of the slavery loot.
Damn thanks just filled in my bingo card with this one
And another thing…I’m not even remotely “anything but an AES state”.
China has never tried to surveil me. Never sent the feds to my home. Never made me worry about whether the next time I leave my house is when I get publicly lynched because the settlers aren’t house-broken anymore.
Let’s get some stuff straight first. China 100% does every one of those things. Do you not remember the enforced lockdowns of their citizens? Them screaming for help, that they are starving and dying during the COVID lockdowns? So you not remember them breaking into people’s homes and dragging them out? It was like a horror story.
China is literally one of the most surveiled countries in the world. Over 50% of the CCTV’s in the entire world can be found in China.
I’m not going to sit here and say that the US is some role model country (because it’s absolutely not), but your being reckless if you think that China is somehow better.
That said, bettering the planet and not wanting a authoritian government aren’t mutually exclusive…
This isn’t debatable, cac. You bring no evidence of your claims other than ‘bro trust me’. As a matter of fact, what I remember out of china during COVID was the zero-COVID policy that saw the country locked down to a much stronger degree than Amerika until their cases had burnt out-- which hey, they did faster rather than letting a bunch of superspreader petri dishes move about the country!
As for the most surveilled country, that’s a fucking laugh when I can’t walk through any city in this country and not pass by two dozen cameras a block from the storefronts to the street crossings. When people are getting pulled off Amerikan streets wrongfully because facial identification mis-identified them.
As for the supposed ‘dragging people out of their homes’, that’s even more of a laugh in the age of no-knock warrants killing Afrikans in their beds-- but that’s all your people know how to do.
Projection.
Fuck you entirely.
You want to devolve to racial slurs and insults because I don’t accept China as an ideal form of governance? Because of that you ASSUME that I’m somehow pro-America and all of the bullshit that’s going on here? That my criticism of China is somehow acceptance of the fucked up shit here in America? Assholes like you are why we never get anywhere in this country. You want to draw a line in the fucking sand and say that everyone that doesn’t support your extreme viewpoint is somehow an enemy, no ifs ands, or buts and refuse to even talk. You came out of the gate throwing punches, why would anyone want to remotely attempt to see your viewpoint? Don’t you see the irony in that?
You want to call me out on “bRiNgInG eViDeNcE” even though not once did you do the same. I merely came to discuss the article, not be attacked by a racist fool.
You came in here immediately spitting on a sovereign nation in defense of a propaganda rag. I don’t have to take your chauvinism seriously for a second, hypocrite.
POINT IN MY POST WHERE THE FUCK I REMOTELY DEFENDED THE TIMES YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER.
Shut up, colonialist
What racial slurs are you referring to?
CAC is a racial slur for white people.
You are not a serious person
China the most surveilled nation? The US has the largest number of CCTV cameras per capita
- The total number of CCTV cameras installed in China is 200 million, compared to 50 million for the US
- China has four times as many surveillance cameras installed than the US, but is just behind America when it comes to number of CCTV cameras per capita
Your source is literally from China mate. No way that they’d have a pro-China viewpoint.
Atleast mines from the UK: Source
And they estimate that number to be over 540 million cameras nationwide…or around 373 cameras per 1,000 people.
Lmao “your source is from China so it’s not truthful, mine is from the UK, they wouldn’t lie or misrepresent facts about their official enemy”.
From the report that the article cites.
According to the data analysed by PreciseSecurity.com and collected by CompariTech
Both companies are from the UK.
As an aside, journalists for news organisations rarely do research on their own. More often they ingest studies done by other dedicated organisations and reproduce them in a form that appeals to their audience. When scrutinising news articles it’s good to see what the primary source is.
If we’re comparing US to China I tried to use a source outside of both countries. I’d expect it to massage the wording a bit on some stuff (especially in an effort to avoid making the UK look bad) but I would think that the numbers aren’t terribly off.
Look, if we were discussing cameras in the UK. This wouldn’t be my go to source. I also dont want to use a Chinese source on Chinese surveillance…you know that they monitor what goes out of China…
I’m not sure what your point is.
what they’ve systematically done to the minorities of their country
What have they done?
their constant aggressive stances in the South China Sea
The South what Sea?
takeover of Hong Kong.
Taking things over is when you get back territory previously seized by a colonial empire.
Anyone practicing Socialist thinking is practicing a form of Marxism, in which Maoisim\Communism With Chinese Characteristics has its roots. So naturally, you are going to see ideological overlap between the two. Wouldn’t it be reasonably disingenuous to draw a straight line between someone’s Socialist and Anti-War points of view and whatever you imagine the Chinese government to be? To rephrase, wouldn’t it be disingenuous to attempt to paint someone who holds Socialist and Anti-War points of view to also be 100% Pro-China in all regards, good and bad?
I’m trying to meet you where you are if it wasn’t clear. McCarthyism vilified people in support of strong labor unions, a belief that also has a shared lineage with Marxism, as agents of the USSR. This doesn’t feel that different to me. You have to be willing to accept a nuanced approach to these existing socialist states if you share any socialist points of view, otherwise, you are just upholding an unrealistic ideal that no one can ever actualize.
So you call China “aggressive” yet are totally okay with the British controlling a colony halfway across the world? You really tell on yourself when you say shit like that, and you wandered into a non-liberal space where you will actually be called out on it.
Bro, go back to watching your Fox News if you want to see this conservative rhetoric.
Christ almighty your so quick to label me as conservative because I’m not accepting of a Chinese form of governance? What in the entire fuck is going on right now?
Attacking socialism and socialist states is something that conservatives do and you are doing that
I’m 100% supportive of social democracy.
Socialism isn’t bad. China is.
Are you telling me that there is zero grey area here?
We aren’t accepting of people like you who have not read an ounce of basic leftist theory coming in and spewing buzzwords and acting like it is some sort of informed opinion. You clearly haven’t even read some of the most entry level shit like Manufacturing Consent or anything like that, you are incapable of having any sort of real discussion about these topics. We have theory and frameworks, you have pure ideology.
I’m unsure where you’re getting any of this from. You can be pro-socialism and social democracy, whilst not being accepting of the shit that China is doing. These are not mutually exclusive things.
I literally just told you why you are facing resistance and why we are not engaging you on your bullshit
What have you done to built socialism? You seem plenty fine attacking the largest socialist project in the history of the world and critiquing them
Social democrats are imperialists
Okkkay kkkracker. Kkkeep dropping bombs on the rest of the world.
Yes, I’m literally the person pushing the buttons to drop bombs on people. You got it. Are you literally the guy that’s genociding Uyghurs? You the one with the gun?
This is entirely pointless. Can’t even discuss an article without immediately devolving to insults and racism. This is why lemmygrad is getting defederated, because of little, racist, pricks like you.
Everyday you wake up and decide to repeat imperial propaganda whose aim is war, you are no different than the people who want the war. What war have these imperial stenographers drummed up support for that wasn’t under false pretenses?
Racism is when you participate in systemic oppression. Not when you get called cracker.
You will not get any good faith discussion or debate here. Look at the Domain it was posted from. And stop wasting your time.
I do thank you for proving my point good day.
You cannot be a real person
