So we leave out the homeless guy on the verge of death, because he’s white. And we make sure Kanye and Oprah still get cut in?
The goal should be for a basic standard of living for everyone, not ensuring that rich people of color get the appropriate bump in their investment accounts.
You know that there is literally only a handful of black people who are rich and they will most likely give out their reparations to charity if they get any? Also it is called “reparations” because it is given after a harmed made. Black people’s generational wealth was stolen therefore, they are giving it back to them. It is something that was theirs, stolen and then given back.
If we do achieve socialism/communism, then we wouldn’t need reparations, but why do you want to give everyone the reparations of black people?
Did everyone get the reparations that were given to the Jews after WW2?
Your point is to discredit the policy by saying that is either everyone or no one, even though no other group was put into slavery here.
You know that there is literally only a handful of black people who are rich and they will most likely give out their reparations to charity if they get any?
We need both reparations and socialism. Indigenous people get reparations because they were genocided and need the land and money to help bring humanity back into a better relationship with nature. New Afrikans need it because they were enslaved and continue to be victims of racism. Global South countries need it to deal with the environmental problems they didn’t cause. Meanwhile, what white people need is socialism. We are part of the nation that inflicted all that harm, not victims of one of those crimes beyond as a class. The solution for their plight is to simply own their own means of production. Reparations are for the colonized. Socialism is for everyone. Of course Jay Z’s getting expropriated, as a capitalist. That doesn’t mean the average non-white family doesn’t need more help than euro Amerikans.
No, I never implied she’d notice, just the opposite.
I’m pointing out how absurd it is that we’d be giving money to people who wouldn’t even notice the payment because they can already buy everything they need.
Which is why class-based redistribution is better. The people it leaves out (Oprah) wouldn’t notice. The people it includes (a homeless queer white kid, or an asian-american couch surfing who can’t afford their meds) would notice.
It automatically gives to those who’ve been harmed the most, and need it the most. It doesn’t give money to those who already have enough, so costs for the program could be smaller and more targeted.
Tbh who cares? Whenever any wealth redistribution plan gets brought up there’s always so much concern that money doesn’t get spent on the “wrong people.” And as a result of that we end up creating a fuckton of bureaucracy to verify and gatekeep who is and isn’t worthy of getting help, which invariably costs more than if we just… didn’t do that.
Give Kanye and Oprah a check, whatever, I’d rather them get some money than spend an order of magnitude more on red tape
Black people have been and continue to be subjugated for being black though. Let’s not pretend like exploitation in the US isn’t race-based.
Of course our goal is liberation for all, but let’s be real, any attempts at justice will necessarily assist black people especially, because they have been treated especially poorly for centuries.
You mean the rainbow coalition? It was multiracial and was led by black revolutionaries and emphasized black justice. So I dunno why you’re insisting that black reparations and multiracial equity are mutually exclusive. They’re not.
Also it didn’t succeed because its leaders were assassinated and the movement got broken up by the feds. Reparations haven’t happened because racism is profitable for capitalists, not because people haven’t organized hard enough.
So we leave out the homeless guy on the verge of death, because he’s white. And we make sure Kanye and Oprah still get cut in?
The goal should be for a basic standard of living for everyone, not ensuring that rich people of color get the appropriate bump in their investment accounts.
You know that there is literally only a handful of black people who are rich and they will most likely give out their reparations to charity if they get any? Also it is called “reparations” because it is given after a harmed made. Black people’s generational wealth was stolen therefore, they are giving it back to them. It is something that was theirs, stolen and then given back.
If we do achieve socialism/communism, then we wouldn’t need reparations, but why do you want to give everyone the reparations of black people?
Did everyone get the reparations that were given to the Jews after WW2?
Your point is to discredit the policy by saying that is either everyone or no one, even though no other group was put into slavery here.
Idealism moment.
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Better not do reparations at all. I mean, think of all the people (re: white people) who would feel left out!
It’s a lie to pretend I said we shouldn’t do reparations.
What I actually said was that it should target the poor as a class, rather than one race.
This still benefits the races was harmed the most, because they make up a disproportionate part of the poor.
It also has two other benefits:
it’s easier to pass, because the poor of other races chip in to see it done.
It benefits those discriminated against in other ways besides race too, and doesn’t require spending on people that are already wealthy.
We need both reparations and socialism. Indigenous people get reparations because they were genocided and need the land and money to help bring humanity back into a better relationship with nature. New Afrikans need it because they were enslaved and continue to be victims of racism. Global South countries need it to deal with the environmental problems they didn’t cause. Meanwhile, what white people need is socialism. We are part of the nation that inflicted all that harm, not victims of one of those crimes beyond as a class. The solution for their plight is to simply own their own means of production. Reparations are for the colonized. Socialism is for everyone. Of course Jay Z’s getting expropriated, as a capitalist. That doesn’t mean the average non-white family doesn’t need more help than euro Amerikans.
You’re say this like Oprah would even notice getting reparations.
No, I never implied she’d notice, just the opposite.
I’m pointing out how absurd it is that we’d be giving money to people who wouldn’t even notice the payment because they can already buy everything they need.
Which is why class-based redistribution is better. The people it leaves out (Oprah) wouldn’t notice. The people it includes (a homeless queer white kid, or an asian-american couch surfing who can’t afford their meds) would notice.
It automatically gives to those who’ve been harmed the most, and need it the most. It doesn’t give money to those who already have enough, so costs for the program could be smaller and more targeted.
Tbh who cares? Whenever any wealth redistribution plan gets brought up there’s always so much concern that money doesn’t get spent on the “wrong people.” And as a result of that we end up creating a fuckton of bureaucracy to verify and gatekeep who is and isn’t worthy of getting help, which invariably costs more than if we just… didn’t do that.
Give Kanye and Oprah a check, whatever, I’d rather them get some money than spend an order of magnitude more on red tape
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Black people have been and continue to be subjugated for being black though. Let’s not pretend like exploitation in the US isn’t race-based.
Of course our goal is liberation for all, but let’s be real, any attempts at justice will necessarily assist black people especially, because they have been treated especially poorly for centuries.
The best and fastest way to do that would be to win a victory with a multiracial coalition.
There reason reparations haven’t happen is because this strategy isn’t as effective.
You mean the rainbow coalition? It was multiracial and was led by black revolutionaries and emphasized black justice. So I dunno why you’re insisting that black reparations and multiracial equity are mutually exclusive. They’re not.
Also it didn’t succeed because its leaders were assassinated and the movement got broken up by the feds. Reparations haven’t happened because racism is profitable for capitalists, not because people haven’t organized hard enough.
This is the type of shit patsocs say to deny black and indigenous peoples’ rights to self determination.