Why do people want to become doctors, astronauts, invent medical devices, invent new technology, etc
When you give people the choice to actually contribute to society with the things they enjoy doing then they will
And menial tasks such as emptying a septic tank can be automated
Right now the only way people can contribute to society in a way they enjoy is if they have enough money to do so, if not they are forced into doing jobs that they don’t enjoy and drain them
When you give people the chance to contribute to society with the things they enjoy millions of talentless people are going to become video game streamers or rock stars.
There are always some that will “do nothing” if given the freedom to live as they want. Most won’t. What exactly will take the place of a 9 to 5 in a post Capitalist world? No idea. I’m not that smart. Humans do need more than simple pixie dust and altruistic motivations to do more than the most bare bones of things. That said, whatever the next system may be, it need not threaten peoples security (housing, food, and medical care) to be functional.
I would argue those very real threats motivate people into action to an extent. Yes, we definitely eed to care more for the people that fall through the cracks, especially those who re vulnerable to begin with, but inventing a system where the average person has no reason to fear for anything seems to be Sixth Form fairy politics to me.
Assuming people will just organise themselves into a functional but equitable and fair society is asking for too much from human beings. We are neither purely individualistic or collectivist by nature. We need a system that accounts for all human flaws rather than one that assumes we will all behave as the best versions of ourselves with no incentives.
I can think of a worse future than one where our rapid advances in technology and productivity afford us the ability to create more art and beauty without fear of destitution.
That’s nice and all, but politics need to take into account the material conditions in which we find ourselves in the present day rather than assuming it’s possible to jump to idealistic Star Trek post scarcity.
Right now you can contribute to society by doing work that matters which does not always require individual expenses.
For example bar none the single most important job in any developed society is water purification. Working at the water utility is something you can do that benefits everyone and has no cost to yourself.
The second most critical task is waste management which requires no money from the worker either.
Im not being pedantic here. The claim you have to be wealthy to contribute is false
Some people may enjoy waste management or water purification but not all people do
People also have to lay for the cost of transport, bills, taxes, food, shelter, etc
People want to contribute to society in ways which they enjoy and tasks like water purification and waste management can be largely automated with notifications sent out to people overseeing the automation if there’s an issue
Lol, you think we can completely automate water systems and trash collection? What planet do you live on because those have NEVER been automated anywhere.
I think you live in a dreamworld where people can just do whatever task fulfills them and all the unpleasant jobs are magically taken care of.
Do you think waste management is only the garbage people who come to collect your bin rubbish every week
I think those garbage people need to come see you more often because it’s clear you’re making trash here in the comment section by arguing I’m bad faith
No I don’t think waste management is just picking up trash. Nothing in my comment suggests that I think that way.
I did not say you made abad faith argument as I suspect you do believe these things can be automated. What I DID say was that your vision of how societies could function is unrealistic and ignorant of how things actually work. That is different than bad faith.
Why do people want to become doctors, astronauts, invent medical devices, invent new technology, etc
When you give people the choice to actually contribute to society with the things they enjoy doing then they will
And menial tasks such as emptying a septic tank can be automated
Right now the only way people can contribute to society in a way they enjoy is if they have enough money to do so, if not they are forced into doing jobs that they don’t enjoy and drain them
When you give people the chance to contribute to society with the things they enjoy millions of talentless people are going to become video game streamers or rock stars.
There are always some that will “do nothing” if given the freedom to live as they want. Most won’t. What exactly will take the place of a 9 to 5 in a post Capitalist world? No idea. I’m not that smart. Humans do need more than simple pixie dust and altruistic motivations to do more than the most bare bones of things. That said, whatever the next system may be, it need not threaten peoples security (housing, food, and medical care) to be functional.
I would argue those very real threats motivate people into action to an extent. Yes, we definitely eed to care more for the people that fall through the cracks, especially those who re vulnerable to begin with, but inventing a system where the average person has no reason to fear for anything seems to be Sixth Form fairy politics to me.
Assuming people will just organise themselves into a functional but equitable and fair society is asking for too much from human beings. We are neither purely individualistic or collectivist by nature. We need a system that accounts for all human flaws rather than one that assumes we will all behave as the best versions of ourselves with no incentives.
I can think of a worse future than one where our rapid advances in technology and productivity afford us the ability to create more art and beauty without fear of destitution.
That’s nice and all, but politics need to take into account the material conditions in which we find ourselves in the present day rather than assuming it’s possible to jump to idealistic Star Trek post scarcity.
Right now you can contribute to society by doing work that matters which does not always require individual expenses.
For example bar none the single most important job in any developed society is water purification. Working at the water utility is something you can do that benefits everyone and has no cost to yourself.
The second most critical task is waste management which requires no money from the worker either.
Im not being pedantic here. The claim you have to be wealthy to contribute is false
Did you read my comment properly
Some people may enjoy waste management or water purification but not all people do
People also have to lay for the cost of transport, bills, taxes, food, shelter, etc
People want to contribute to society in ways which they enjoy and tasks like water purification and waste management can be largely automated with notifications sent out to people overseeing the automation if there’s an issue
Lol, you think we can completely automate water systems and trash collection? What planet do you live on because those have NEVER been automated anywhere.
I think you live in a dreamworld where people can just do whatever task fulfills them and all the unpleasant jobs are magically taken care of.
Do you think waste management is only the garbage people who come to collect your bin rubbish every week
I think those garbage people need to come see you more often because it’s clear you’re making trash here in the comment section by arguing I’m bad faith
No I don’t think waste management is just picking up trash. Nothing in my comment suggests that I think that way.
I did not say you made abad faith argument as I suspect you do believe these things can be automated. What I DID say was that your vision of how societies could function is unrealistic and ignorant of how things actually work. That is different than bad faith.