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      I love that the only concept of peace you have is one that doesn’t involve Russia or China. (Sorry, I missed your sarcasm and forgot what community this was posted to)

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        Yeah I tried to lay the satire on pretty thick there but it’s the internet and people do literally actually think that so…no worries!

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          and people do literally actually think that so

          This really does make it hard to detect sarcasm sometimes.

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    That last section…thinking about that lib who came here a while ago and said “If Puting or Xi Xinping told me that the sky is blue, i would look up with suspicion”

    These motherfuckers will baa like sheep that not supporting nazis makes you baaaad, and that there are no nazis anyway, and just being in the SS doesnt automatically make you a nazi the way being Russian does, and I can’t believe you’re repeating Putler’s propaganda about there being nazis in Ukraine. Which maybe there are, but everywhere has nazis, so who can really say if its bad or not, except when I invoke that fact to justify our nazis doing nazis shit.

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      Poland is next I feel. Poles are fed up with Ukro Nazi propaganda day in and day out 😁. If Annalena pushes a bit more anti china rhetoric then AfD will come to power .

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        They are more likely to pull the rug from under Ukraine due to the cheap ukrainian imports wrecking their markets rather any ideological happenings.

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          The worst part is that they are probably still the “lesser evil” (if i may borrow a lib phrase) in this case. It’s not like Poland isn’t already basically fascist. Or do you think PiS are some nice harmless leftys?

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            PiS is catofash, interwar style. Konfederacja is basically really a confederation of political rejects from other rightwing parties: libertarians, neonazis, monarchists and remnants of the weird right-populist experiments which main bodies got eaten by PiS.

            I don’t think they are lesser evil and i don’t think they will survive their (unlikely) success - the only thing keeping them together is their lust for parliament stools.

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            The problem is there is no mainstream left party who can counter US imperialist project which is war mongering against China and Russia. Even within the Republican hard right you can find some anti ukro war thing going on where as Bernie and AOC are calling for more weapons in. Even if Bernie did a powerful campaign against MIC and both parties, majority of Yanks would have gone for him but alas there is no hope for mainstream left libs project. I will say to the libs downvoting hard here , your days are over

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              Exactly. It is honestly sad to see some of the worst scum of the right wing be more anti-war than the mainstream so-called “left”. There are ZERO Democrats in either the House or the Senate who are against continuing to arm and fund Ukrainian Nazis. Think about that. Yet there is a growing minority of Republicans who if not outright hostile to the neocon Ukraine project at least are extremely skeptical of it and demand accountability. Democrats, including the so-called “progressives” have all voted against even the slightest amount of oversight or moderation. All you get from them is full speed ahead, more war, more weapons, blank cheque, as long as it takes…

              And the same dynamics are at play in Europe too with most of the establishment-compatible, socdem left having also fully jumped on board with the Ukraine war agenda. And what is most interesting is that the most accurate predictor of support for Ukraine in Europe is actually support for the EU. All leftist parties who were pro-EU before have all turned into full on NATO enthusiast warmongers. While all the parties on both the fringe left and the right who were anti-EU have remained skeptical of the whole affair. This more than anything else has proved to me that any notions i may have once had of some kind of critical support for the EU as an ostensibly internationalist project being ok to have as a leftist were deeply misguided and naive.

              The EU, like NATO, is a tool of imperialism, a thoroughly neoliberal and unreformable institution that only serves to keep Europe under the domination of Washington and to prevent any and all semblance of socialism or independence in Europe.

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                This more than anything else has proved to me that any notions i may have once had of some kind of critical support for the EU as an ostensibly internationalist project being ok to have as a leftist were deeply misguided and naive.

                Same here. EU seen from Poland around 2004 looked like a welcome reprive from the catofash idiocy eating the country, since even with rampant blairism everywhere it really was noticeably more to the left to the polish neoliberal-catholic bog called “compromise” by every govt here even the succdems. Plus EU was determined to literally bribe Poland so that actually got a lot of infrastructure built.

                But then with shit like the ACTA and the crackdown on Greece it was increasingly eveident the very declared purpose of European integration and cooperation is just a scam to lick German and American financiere boots. Nordstream bombing and participation in Ukraine war dealth a killing blow for this project and any hope for it. I don’t think there was ever a case in history when even a single country, not to mention a coalition of countries, sabotaged themselves for the benefit of another one.

                Ended up just as Lenin said (over a century ago) anything like it would end.

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          Nobody here is rooting for that, we’re just saying that is going to be the inevitable result if the mainstream parties continue down the path they are today, destroying Germany’s economy with self-harming sanctions and continuing to increasingly involve Germany in a war with Russia. Many Germans will start to look at the AfD as the only option to stop this insanity. It is up to the left to put up an alternative of our own, and for now the only person who seems to be trying to do something like that is Sahra Wagenknecht, and to put it mildly let’s say she has some dubious positions on certain issues…

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          I personally support Die linke but hey libs think they are secret stasi from DDR. , also they are not very principled on anti NATO , anti US stance.

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        I don’t think we’re quite there yet in Germany, but another election cycle and a bit more economic collapse and we just may. Comrades more familiar with Poland can probably confirm similar situation there, it seems that the mood is turning against Ukraine and against the pro-Ukraine liberal elites throughout most European populations and it’s the populist right wing who are best positioned to take advantage of this because the left is either nonexistent or has been completely captured by the Euro-Atlanticist establishment.

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          As @[email protected] said, currently mainstream resistance to the Ukrainian cause is spread between PiS (mostly trying to appease farmers about the botched grain deal) and Konfederacja (actual fucking fash who like Russia because it’s anti-LGBT)

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    I rly wouldn’t be too optimistic… His views got nothing to do with communism and he already was in cabinet like 3 times. I wouldn’t be surprised if he never followed through with these promises. Maybe he’ll go the Orbán route? Fico prolly won’t be worse than Matovič tho. But who knows… This is liberal politics at its finest after all.

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      Nobody is expecting actual communists or socialists to be voted into office in Europe any time soon… honestly that will probably never happen. Europe will be one of the last places in the world to go socialist. For now we would like them to at least stop pumping weapons and cash into the hands of Nazis. It would be an improvement in Europe right now just to see parties in charge who will not go along with whatever Washington and Brussels say 100% of the time, and will at least dare to have some independent thought and rational self-interest in their foreign policy as opposed to these comprador puppets who are selling out their own people for the sake of the Euro-Atlanticist imperialist agenda.

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        Yeahh, tru. And I wholeheartedly agree with u there. It would be very welcoming to see less US dick sucking. Especially when looking at the old Slovak- or as u said, europe’s governments.

        As maybe a tiny shimmer of hope though: In Austria, Graz, the Communist party “KJÖ” actually won the election last year. They’re doing pretty well there apparently. In Vienna not so much, tho I’m nevertheless hopeful. Still, them winning the election for government fr won’t ever happen.

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    block the country’s path into NATO

    Ukraine is not getting into NATO for multiple reasons, embarrassing that the writer would even bring this up as a point.

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      The ghouls running the west probably doesn’t like Fico and his pro-peace rhetoric but I would’ve be completely surprised to see him being useful for them as a scapegoat for not not letting Ukraine into the garden of Aryan nations.