Poland is next I feel. Poles are fed up with Ukro Nazi propaganda day in and day out 😁. If Annalena pushes a bit more anti china rhetoric then AfD will come to power .
The worst part is that they are probably still the “lesser evil” (if i may borrow a lib phrase) in this case. It’s not like Poland isn’t already basically fascist. Or do you think PiS are some nice harmless leftys?
PiS is catofash, interwar style. Konfederacja is basically really a confederation of political rejects from other rightwing parties: libertarians, neonazis, monarchists and remnants of the weird right-populist experiments which main bodies got eaten by PiS.
I don’t think they are lesser evil and i don’t think they will survive their (unlikely) success - the only thing keeping them together is their lust for parliament stools.
The problem is there is no mainstream left party who can counter US imperialist project which is war mongering against China and Russia. Even within the Republican hard right you can find some anti ukro war thing going on where as Bernie and AOC are calling for more weapons in. Even if Bernie did a powerful campaign against MIC and both parties, majority of Yanks would have gone for him but alas there is no hope for mainstream left libs project. I will say to the libs downvoting hard here , your days are over
Exactly. It is honestly sad to see some of the worst scum of the right wing be more anti-war than the mainstream so-called “left”. There are ZERO Democrats in either the House or the Senate who are against continuing to arm and fund Ukrainian Nazis. Think about that. Yet there is a growing minority of Republicans who if not outright hostile to the neocon Ukraine project at least are extremely skeptical of it and demand accountability. Democrats, including the so-called “progressives” have all voted against even the slightest amount of oversight or moderation. All you get from them is full speed ahead, more war, more weapons, blank cheque, as long as it takes…
And the same dynamics are at play in Europe too with most of the establishment-compatible, socdem left having also fully jumped on board with the Ukraine war agenda. And what is most interesting is that the most accurate predictor of support for Ukraine in Europe is actually support for the EU. All leftist parties who were pro-EU before have all turned into full on NATO enthusiast warmongers. While all the parties on both the fringe left and the right who were anti-EU have remained skeptical of the whole affair. This more than anything else has proved to me that any notions i may have once had of some kind of critical support for the EU as an ostensibly internationalist project being ok to have as a leftist were deeply misguided and naive.
The EU, like NATO, is a tool of imperialism, a thoroughly neoliberal and unreformable institution that only serves to keep Europe under the domination of Washington and to prevent any and all semblance of socialism or independence in Europe.
This more than anything else has proved to me that any notions i may have once had of some kind of critical support for the EU as an ostensibly internationalist project being ok to have as a leftist were deeply misguided and naive.
Same here. EU seen from Poland around 2004 looked like a welcome reprive from the catofash idiocy eating the country, since even with rampant blairism everywhere it really was noticeably more to the left to the polish neoliberal-catholic bog called “compromise” by every govt here even the succdems. Plus EU was determined to literally bribe Poland so that actually got a lot of infrastructure built.
But then with shit like the ACTA and the crackdown on Greece it was increasingly eveident the very declared purpose of European integration and cooperation is just a scam to lick German and American financiere boots. Nordstream bombing and participation in Ukraine war dealth a killing blow for this project and any hope for it. I don’t think there was ever a case in history when even a single country, not to mention a coalition of countries, sabotaged themselves for the benefit of another one.
Ended up just as Lenin said (over a century ago) anything like it would end.
Are you rooting for the AfD to come to power? As a Central Asian living in Germany, the rise of a literal Nazi party fucking frightens me and should frighten anyone.
Nobody here is rooting for that, we’re just saying that is going to be the inevitable result if the mainstream parties continue down the path they are today, destroying Germany’s economy with self-harming sanctions and continuing to increasingly involve Germany in a war with Russia. Many Germans will start to look at the AfD as the only option to stop this insanity. It is up to the left to put up an alternative of our own, and for now the only person who seems to be trying to do something like that is Sahra Wagenknecht, and to put it mildly let’s say she has some dubious positions on certain issues…
I don’t think we’re quite there yet in Germany, but another election cycle and a bit more economic collapse and we just may. Comrades more familiar with Poland can probably confirm similar situation there, it seems that the mood is turning against Ukraine and against the pro-Ukraine liberal elites throughout most European populations and it’s the populist right wing who are best positioned to take advantage of this because the left is either nonexistent or has been completely captured by the Euro-Atlanticist establishment.
As @[email protected] said, currently mainstream resistance to the Ukrainian cause is spread between PiS (mostly trying to appease farmers about the botched grain deal) and Konfederacja (actual fucking fash who like Russia because it’s anti-LGBT)
Poland is next I feel. Poles are fed up with Ukro Nazi propaganda day in and day out 😁. If Annalena pushes a bit more anti china rhetoric then AfD will come to power .
They are more likely to pull the rug from under Ukraine due to the cheap ukrainian imports wrecking their markets rather any ideological happenings.
Bro. The only guys pushing a pro-Russia anti-Ukraine line is Konfederacja. The fashy libertarians 💀
That seems to be the future of Europe. Europe brought the death wish upon themselves.
The worst part is that they are probably still the “lesser evil” (if i may borrow a lib phrase) in this case. It’s not like Poland isn’t already basically fascist. Or do you think PiS are some nice harmless leftys?
PiS is catofash, interwar style. Konfederacja is basically really a confederation of political rejects from other rightwing parties: libertarians, neonazis, monarchists and remnants of the weird right-populist experiments which main bodies got eaten by PiS.
I don’t think they are lesser evil and i don’t think they will survive their (unlikely) success - the only thing keeping them together is their lust for parliament stools.
The problem is there is no mainstream left party who can counter US imperialist project which is war mongering against China and Russia. Even within the Republican hard right you can find some anti ukro war thing going on where as Bernie and AOC are calling for more weapons in. Even if Bernie did a powerful campaign against MIC and both parties, majority of Yanks would have gone for him but alas there is no hope for mainstream left libs project. I will say to the libs downvoting hard here , your days are over
Exactly. It is honestly sad to see some of the worst scum of the right wing be more anti-war than the mainstream so-called “left”. There are ZERO Democrats in either the House or the Senate who are against continuing to arm and fund Ukrainian Nazis. Think about that. Yet there is a growing minority of Republicans who if not outright hostile to the neocon Ukraine project at least are extremely skeptical of it and demand accountability. Democrats, including the so-called “progressives” have all voted against even the slightest amount of oversight or moderation. All you get from them is full speed ahead, more war, more weapons, blank cheque, as long as it takes…
And the same dynamics are at play in Europe too with most of the establishment-compatible, socdem left having also fully jumped on board with the Ukraine war agenda. And what is most interesting is that the most accurate predictor of support for Ukraine in Europe is actually support for the EU. All leftist parties who were pro-EU before have all turned into full on NATO enthusiast warmongers. While all the parties on both the fringe left and the right who were anti-EU have remained skeptical of the whole affair. This more than anything else has proved to me that any notions i may have once had of some kind of critical support for the EU as an ostensibly internationalist project being ok to have as a leftist were deeply misguided and naive.
The EU, like NATO, is a tool of imperialism, a thoroughly neoliberal and unreformable institution that only serves to keep Europe under the domination of Washington and to prevent any and all semblance of socialism or independence in Europe.
Same here. EU seen from Poland around 2004 looked like a welcome reprive from the catofash idiocy eating the country, since even with rampant blairism everywhere it really was noticeably more to the left to the polish neoliberal-catholic bog called “compromise” by every govt here even the succdems. Plus EU was determined to literally bribe Poland so that actually got a lot of infrastructure built.
But then with shit like the ACTA and the crackdown on Greece it was increasingly eveident the very declared purpose of European integration and cooperation is just a scam to lick German and American financiere boots. Nordstream bombing and participation in Ukraine war dealth a killing blow for this project and any hope for it. I don’t think there was ever a case in history when even a single country, not to mention a coalition of countries, sabotaged themselves for the benefit of another one.
Ended up just as Lenin said (over a century ago) anything like it would end.
Are you rooting for the AfD to come to power? As a Central Asian living in Germany, the rise of a literal Nazi party fucking frightens me and should frighten anyone.
Nobody here is rooting for that, we’re just saying that is going to be the inevitable result if the mainstream parties continue down the path they are today, destroying Germany’s economy with self-harming sanctions and continuing to increasingly involve Germany in a war with Russia. Many Germans will start to look at the AfD as the only option to stop this insanity. It is up to the left to put up an alternative of our own, and for now the only person who seems to be trying to do something like that is Sahra Wagenknecht, and to put it mildly let’s say she has some dubious positions on certain issues…
I personally support Die linke but hey libs think they are secret stasi from DDR. , also they are not very principled on anti NATO , anti US stance.
I don’t think we’re quite there yet in Germany, but another election cycle and a bit more economic collapse and we just may. Comrades more familiar with Poland can probably confirm similar situation there, it seems that the mood is turning against Ukraine and against the pro-Ukraine liberal elites throughout most European populations and it’s the populist right wing who are best positioned to take advantage of this because the left is either nonexistent or has been completely captured by the Euro-Atlanticist establishment.
As @[email protected] said, currently mainstream resistance to the Ukrainian cause is spread between PiS (mostly trying to appease farmers about the botched grain deal) and Konfederacja (actual fucking fash who like Russia because it’s anti-LGBT)