Or they could have, I don’t know, agreed to a two state solution? If Palestine stops fighting, Israel will colonize them through their settlements. They’ll probably colonize them even if they fight, and the West will look back on the destruction of Palestine as a tragic oopsie that “we can’t do anything about now.” The blame for the violence is on Israel at this point, as the current government antagonizes Palestinians for what little land they still control. At the same time, Bibi works to take away the voice of even Israelis, turning what should be a more secular democracy into a theocratic dictatorship.
Israel’s extreme and not-so-extreme right have been pushing settlement across the west bank and provoking, harming and terrorizing both the Israeli left/center and the IDF sent to guard them for years. They also murdered the Prime Minister that actually tried to consolidate the two states solution - Itzhak Rabin.
The blame of violence right now is very much a result of the right-winged government that is trying to turn Israel into a plutocratic republic at best, a theocratic nightmare a-la Iran at worst.
I sincerely hope that cool heads in the military will prevail, but with 1900 wounded, 300 civilians murdered and over a hundred kidnapped, Israel is currently reeling and it might end up with Gaza under martial law, and thousands dead and wounded on all sides.
It isn’t the same as Russia and the Ukraine though, and as explained above with Itzhak Rabin being assassinated, it isn’t that simple a proclamation regarding the 2 state solution.
It is the preferred outcome, and hopefully whatever horrors are inbound, it will lead there.
What’s more, ethnic cleansing has accompanied Israeli expansion in the past, and to a lesser degree, Israeli settlements in recent history. If Hamas wins, there will be no Israel. If hard-liners in Israel win, there will be no Palestine.
Israel ethnically cleansed during 1948 independence war, and not everywhere.
If Israel was genocidal, Palestine wouldn’t be an issue.
I do agree that if the fanatic right wing leads the charge, Israel might lead a genocidal war.
It just isn’t plausible due to the entire world shutting down all trade relations and starving it.
Israel ethnically cleansed during 1948 independence war, and not everywhere.
No, only 90% of the country. Oh, and then again through 1956. And then again in '67.
What was the world’s response then?
Fuck, what’s the world’s response to the ongoing genocide in China?
FUCK, what’s the world’s response to the invasion and genocide perpetuated by Russia?
The idea that we’d all band together and shun a country until the genocide ended is not backed by evidence. Especially not since a third of the US thinks Israel has to exist for their prophesized end times to come about, and for that reason, supports them unconditionally.
1948 - war crimes were committed, on the territories of 1948 (Israel is bigger now).
Hence the Palestinians call it the Nakba.
They don’t mark other wars like this one.
1956 - Kadesh operation. No relocations, no actual conquests, only warfare that was stopped by French and English intervention.
1967 - conquest of the west bank, driving out Jordanian sovereignty and full conquest of Jerusalem. East Jerusalem is, to this day, filled with Palestinians who are not citizens of Israel and are treated in what can be called apartheid, but no mass murder and intentional war crimes like 1948.
Your comparison to China and Russia is simply wrong… the Israeli economy is a laughable bug compared to the superpower of China, and the well organized dictatorship that is Russia (where natural resources are aplenty).
America could break Israel with a trade embargo in 3 weeks. It doesn’t have to. The threat of it is enough.
Whether or not Washington decides to do so is a different matter.
The 1949–1956 Palestinian expulsions were a continuation of the 1948 expulsion and flight of Palestinian Arabs from Israeli-controlled territory that occurred after the signing of the ceasefire agreements.[1][2][3][4] This period of the exodus[5] was characterised predominantly by forced expulsion during the consolidation of the state of Israel and ever increasing tension along the ceasefire lines ultimately leading to the 1956 Suez Crisis.[6]
Between 1949 and 1950, according to historian Benny Morris, Israel had displaced and expelled between 30,000 and 40,000 Palestinians and Bedouin.[7] Many villages along the ceasefire lines and the Lebanon border area were also leveled, many emptied villages were resettled by new Jewish immigrants and demobilized Israeli military forces.[8][9]
The 1967 Palestinian exodus or Naksa[1] refers to the flight of around 280,000 to 325,000 Palestinians[2] out of the territories captured by Israel during and in the aftermath of the Six-Day War, including the razing of the Palestinian villages of Imwas, Yalo, and Bayt Nuba, Surit, Beit Awwa, Beit Mirsem, Shuyukh, Al-Jiftlik, Agarith and Huseirat and the “emptying” of the refugee camps of Aqabat Jaber and ʿEin as-Sultan.[3]
As long as the religious hold political power in the US, israel will never face a real threat of embargo. American right wings think the nation is a sign of rapture, as well as a convenient place to send the jewish diaspora when “the time comes,” and so actively do whatever they can to protect it.
And since they hold enough power to disrupt any economic reppercussions, israel can do whatever it likes
It’s definitely why a significant chunk of the US supports them, notably a lot of the Bush administration support had that kind of haze hanging over it. Israel’s government knows this, too, but they (probably rightly) figure that long term this is pointless masturbation and their goals align for now so they’ve been playing nice with the end-times worshippers.
Saying Israel would simply wipe out Palestine if they were genocidal is overselling it though. Yeah i doubt they have any specific plans, but also they need the cheap Palestinian labor to continue running Israel. They can’t just get rid of all the Palestinians.
Got that backwards there, friend.
If Israel stops fighting, it becomes Palestine. If Palestine stops fighting, both nations will remain.
Or they could have, I don’t know, agreed to a two state solution? If Palestine stops fighting, Israel will colonize them through their settlements. They’ll probably colonize them even if they fight, and the West will look back on the destruction of Palestine as a tragic oopsie that “we can’t do anything about now.” The blame for the violence is on Israel at this point, as the current government antagonizes Palestinians for what little land they still control. At the same time, Bibi works to take away the voice of even Israelis, turning what should be a more secular democracy into a theocratic dictatorship.
Regrettably, I agree with your argument.
Israel’s extreme and not-so-extreme right have been pushing settlement across the west bank and provoking, harming and terrorizing both the Israeli left/center and the IDF sent to guard them for years. They also murdered the Prime Minister that actually tried to consolidate the two states solution - Itzhak Rabin.
The blame of violence right now is very much a result of the right-winged government that is trying to turn Israel into a plutocratic republic at best, a theocratic nightmare a-la Iran at worst.
I sincerely hope that cool heads in the military will prevail, but with 1900 wounded, 300 civilians murdered and over a hundred kidnapped, Israel is currently reeling and it might end up with Gaza under martial law, and thousands dead and wounded on all sides.
It isn’t the same as Russia and the Ukraine though, and as explained above with Itzhak Rabin being assassinated, it isn’t that simple a proclamation regarding the 2 state solution.
It is the preferred outcome, and hopefully whatever horrors are inbound, it will lead there.
Absolutely not.
That situation is way more complex than the one in Ukraine.
… thats a very incorrect attempt at sparknotes
Don’t their borders overlap?
What’s more, ethnic cleansing has accompanied Israeli expansion in the past, and to a lesser degree, Israeli settlements in recent history. If Hamas wins, there will be no Israel. If hard-liners in Israel win, there will be no Palestine.
Israel ethnically cleansed during 1948 independence war, and not everywhere.
If Israel was genocidal, Palestine wouldn’t be an issue.
I do agree that if the fanatic right wing leads the charge, Israel might lead a genocidal war. It just isn’t plausible due to the entire world shutting down all trade relations and starving it.
No, only 90% of the country. Oh, and then again through 1956. And then again in '67.
What was the world’s response then?
Fuck, what’s the world’s response to the ongoing genocide in China?
FUCK, what’s the world’s response to the invasion and genocide perpetuated by Russia?
The idea that we’d all band together and shun a country until the genocide ended is not backed by evidence. Especially not since a third of the US thinks Israel has to exist for their prophesized end times to come about, and for that reason, supports them unconditionally.
Religious fanatics aside,
1948 - war crimes were committed, on the territories of 1948 (Israel is bigger now). Hence the Palestinians call it the Nakba. They don’t mark other wars like this one.
1956 - Kadesh operation. No relocations, no actual conquests, only warfare that was stopped by French and English intervention.
1967 - conquest of the west bank, driving out Jordanian sovereignty and full conquest of Jerusalem. East Jerusalem is, to this day, filled with Palestinians who are not citizens of Israel and are treated in what can be called apartheid, but no mass murder and intentional war crimes like 1948.
Your comparison to China and Russia is simply wrong… the Israeli economy is a laughable bug compared to the superpower of China, and the well organized dictatorship that is Russia (where natural resources are aplenty).
America could break Israel with a trade embargo in 3 weeks. It doesn’t have to. The threat of it is enough. Whether or not Washington decides to do so is a different matter.
I stand corrected then. At least it wasn’t mass murder like the Armenians. I think most of the refugees fled to Jordan from the territories.
As long as the religious hold political power in the US, israel will never face a real threat of embargo. American right wings think the nation is a sign of rapture, as well as a convenient place to send the jewish diaspora when “the time comes,” and so actively do whatever they can to protect it.
And since they hold enough power to disrupt any economic reppercussions, israel can do whatever it likes
Is that why US supports them? Lol never thought about it that way
It’s definitely why a significant chunk of the US supports them, notably a lot of the Bush administration support had that kind of haze hanging over it. Israel’s government knows this, too, but they (probably rightly) figure that long term this is pointless masturbation and their goals align for now so they’ve been playing nice with the end-times worshippers.
Israeli support is paramount among the religious right wing movement in the US, specifically for this reason.
Saying Israel would simply wipe out Palestine if they were genocidal is overselling it though. Yeah i doubt they have any specific plans, but also they need the cheap Palestinian labor to continue running Israel. They can’t just get rid of all the Palestinians.
That’s why there were so many peace talks so far.