Weird how the author of City of God and one of the most famous Christian thinkers of all time completely disagreed. You got to love a flexible moral system, it allows anyone to claim to be the True Scotsmen authentic deal and condemn as heretics everyone else.
Augustine was wrong about Christianity, St. Paul was wrong abojt Christianity, Jesus was wrong about Christianity, every single Christian thinker was wrong about Christianity except one random on Lemmy.
I can look it up tonight if you really want but basically Augustine argued that you are allowed to go after heretics as long as you do it for love of their souls. If they couldn’t be convinced of their “errors” by talking you were allowed to use violence since burning in hell is so much worse.
As I said it is pretty amazing how every single person can just declare themselves the true Christian whenever they want.
Well, the reality is that most people who call themselves Christian are wrong about many things, but not everything.
Augustine subscribed to the Just War theory, which flies in the face of loving your neighbour as well as your enemy, and “Nor will they learn war anymore” (Isaiah 2:4)
That being said Augustine wasn’t wrong about everything. The Bible is a thick book, and people back then didn’t have the resources that exist today. I can look up any word or topic within the Bible directly or from additional resources in mere seconds, whereas anyone from even 50 years ago had to scan through pages manually.
How lucky we are to have the single True Christian in our midst.
Honestly, do you even know the Biblical languages? Could I give you a random sentence in Hebrew or konic Greek and you can translate it? How about Aramaic? Because take a guess which one of us in this conversation can. Before my deconversion I was planning to be a Biblical Scholar. Fortunately I saw the light in time.
Ah, so then you know that the commonly accepted Trinity doctrine isn’t supported by the Bible, and John 1:1 isn’t the evidence that it’s usually presented as. Because the first “God” is the·osʹ which is preceded by ton which is a definite article (ie, the God). And Koine Greek did not have an indefinite article. So if predicate noun isn’t preceded by a definite article, then it’s an implied indefinite (ie, a god). And in fact many translations render the indefinite the·osʹ as either “divine” or “godlike”, because without the definite article, those are equally valid ways of writing that verse.
Sigh. A yes or no would have sufficed. You don’t need to know Greek to know the Trinity was made up later. You can just look at the arguments made two centuries later.
While you are at it John 1:1 is just a retrocon. The OT contains the sentence “let us create the world” which comes from the older views of the Hebrews that there were more than one god. It is also there to pick a side in an argument that St. Paul hinted at; when did Jesus become important. He of course viewed it at the Easter miracle, Mark author puts it at baptism, Matthew and Luke authors put it at conception, and the last gospel finishes the trend and makes it prior to conception. A common trend of religion, to one up itself as time goes on. Also a big borrowing from the cultures around them that loved dying and rising God myths.
Now instead of copying and pasting a Wikipedia quote why don’t you answer the question? I hand you a randomly selected book from the Bible in its original, can you read it yes or no? If the answer is no you might not want to lecture others on translation issues.
The OT contains the sentence “let us create the world” which comes from the older views of the Hebrews that there were more than one god.
Well yes, technically there were more than one god. The word “god” means “creator”. Even Satan is referred to as “the god of this system”. This is why there is always a qualifier before “God” such as “the True God”, “Almighty God”, etc. As “God” itself is just a title and not a name. The Bible gives the name for “Almighty God” as Jehovah. And yes, some people say “Yahweh”, but even Jewish scholars have agreed recently that Jehovah is the historically accurate pronunciation.
But back to “let us create the world”, Jesus is identified as the Master Worker. The person who physically created everything, aside from himself.
Colossians 1:15-17 - “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist”
Now instead of copying and pasting a Wikipedia quote why don’t you answer the question?
Aside from the characters the·osʹ (because I can never write with my own keyboard the same way, and I definitely didn’t use Wikipedia), I didn’t copy and paste anything.
The guy said:
That hell exists is not teaching people to dominate and torture people.
Weird how the author of City of God and one of the most famous Christian thinkers of all time completely disagreed. You got to love a flexible moral system, it allows anyone to claim to be the True Scotsmen authentic deal and condemn as heretics everyone else.
Augustine was wrong about Christianity, St. Paul was wrong abojt Christianity, Jesus was wrong about Christianity, every single Christian thinker was wrong about Christianity except one random on Lemmy.
If you have a compelling argument to cite, please do. I don’t pretend to know everything.
I can look it up tonight if you really want but basically Augustine argued that you are allowed to go after heretics as long as you do it for love of their souls. If they couldn’t be convinced of their “errors” by talking you were allowed to use violence since burning in hell is so much worse.
As I said it is pretty amazing how every single person can just declare themselves the true Christian whenever they want.
“The devil can quote Scripture for his purpose”
Well, the reality is that most people who call themselves Christian are wrong about many things, but not everything.
Augustine subscribed to the Just War theory, which flies in the face of loving your neighbour as well as your enemy, and “Nor will they learn war anymore” (Isaiah 2:4)
That being said Augustine wasn’t wrong about everything. The Bible is a thick book, and people back then didn’t have the resources that exist today. I can look up any word or topic within the Bible directly or from additional resources in mere seconds, whereas anyone from even 50 years ago had to scan through pages manually.
How lucky we are to have the single True Christian in our midst.
Honestly, do you even know the Biblical languages? Could I give you a random sentence in Hebrew or konic Greek and you can translate it? How about Aramaic? Because take a guess which one of us in this conversation can. Before my deconversion I was planning to be a Biblical Scholar. Fortunately I saw the light in time.
Ah, so then you know that the commonly accepted Trinity doctrine isn’t supported by the Bible, and John 1:1 isn’t the evidence that it’s usually presented as. Because the first “God” is the·osʹ which is preceded by ton which is a definite article (ie, the God). And Koine Greek did not have an indefinite article. So if predicate noun isn’t preceded by a definite article, then it’s an implied indefinite (ie, a god). And in fact many translations render the indefinite the·osʹ as either “divine” or “godlike”, because without the definite article, those are equally valid ways of writing that verse.
Sigh. A yes or no would have sufficed. You don’t need to know Greek to know the Trinity was made up later. You can just look at the arguments made two centuries later.
While you are at it John 1:1 is just a retrocon. The OT contains the sentence “let us create the world” which comes from the older views of the Hebrews that there were more than one god. It is also there to pick a side in an argument that St. Paul hinted at; when did Jesus become important. He of course viewed it at the Easter miracle, Mark author puts it at baptism, Matthew and Luke authors put it at conception, and the last gospel finishes the trend and makes it prior to conception. A common trend of religion, to one up itself as time goes on. Also a big borrowing from the cultures around them that loved dying and rising God myths.
Now instead of copying and pasting a Wikipedia quote why don’t you answer the question? I hand you a randomly selected book from the Bible in its original, can you read it yes or no? If the answer is no you might not want to lecture others on translation issues.
Well yes, technically there were more than one god. The word “god” means “creator”. Even Satan is referred to as “the god of this system”. This is why there is always a qualifier before “God” such as “the True God”, “Almighty God”, etc. As “God” itself is just a title and not a name. The Bible gives the name for “Almighty God” as Jehovah. And yes, some people say “Yahweh”, but even Jewish scholars have agreed recently that Jehovah is the historically accurate pronunciation.
But back to “let us create the world”, Jesus is identified as the Master Worker. The person who physically created everything, aside from himself.
Colossians 1:15-17 - “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist”
Aside from the characters the·osʹ (because I can never write with my own keyboard the same way, and I definitely didn’t use Wikipedia), I didn’t copy and paste anything.