• WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    even if pacifists who want to minimize total casualties were to get the US and NATO to cease all support for Ukraine

    Don’t call people who want to let Putin profit from his warmongering “pacifists”.

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        1 year ago

        That isn’t entirely true, imho. I live by the motto “Hope for peace, but prepare for war”.

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          The you aren’t a pacifist. A pacifist considers violence and war as unjustifiable by definition.

          Pacifism is an untenable position because the only way to ensure control of the actions of another is through force and domination due to a pesky thing called free will.

          A pacifist is an idealist that has chosen not to contend with the reality that someone else may choose to be violent towards them. They have, through this unjustifiable position, determined that because pain is bad all violence has no justification, even in the defence of oneself. Pacifism is enabled by a core belief that all violence propagates violence.

          Pacifism often limits this understanding of violence to the physical, as far as I’m aware no pacifist is against violence such as forced imprisonment of criminals.