• ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml
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    What land have they annexed from other countries? Name one territory, city, province, or piece of land. Please, name one.

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      Well, China’s claims are probably that they were always Chinese territory, in spite of 100 years of history and previous Chinese government publications. But the fact is many of the islands within the new bounds on China’s latest maps are internationally recognised as being the territory of other countries. Thus, China is attempting to annex these lands from those countries. The latest maps claim territory well within 100km of the Philipines’ coastline, and it’s practically right on the coast of a Malaysian island.

      Examples include Scarborough Shoal off the Philipines, the Spratly Islands, and I think there was some Japanese administrated island that I can’t be bothered to look up right now.

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          If an island is owned by one country, then taken by another, that is annexation.

          The dispute is whether the first country owned it, however that argument is very weak.

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            But you said “maps claim it”, that is not annexation. You require boots on the ground occupation to annex a territory, you can’t just claim an annexation into existence.

            I ask again, where has China, “taken those islands”?

            You are making yourself look like a fool.

            For example, the US and Canada both claim several islands and territories owned by the other. Canadian maps show they own it, and American maps show they own it. Have either of the two countries “annexed” that territory?

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              require boots on the ground occupation to annex a territory

              I annex Texas in the name of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea by virtue of being in the state. Sorry FBI, cope and seethe.

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                I annex Texas in the name of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea

                Somehow I feel like that’s an improvement.

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                    I don’t know, I feel like that would be a logistical and administrative nightmare, especially as the population of Texas is 5 million more then North Korea, and not that many Texans speak Korean while an equally few North Koreans speak English.

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              You’re being pedantic. You know what I mean, you’re not arguing against the idea I’m presenting but pointlessly bickering over the words I’m using. And what’s worse, you’re not even correct.

              Annexing does not require military action. It usually does involve it, but that is not a defining property. Annexing is adding territory to your own by appropriation, ie taking it from another nation.

              China has “taken those islands” and that area of sea into their territory. Obviously it’s still in exactly the same place, but territory is being taken away from other nations.

              For example, the US and Canada both claim several islands and territories owned by the other. Canadian maps show they own it, and American maps show they own it. Have either of the two countries “annexed” that territory?

              There’s a handful of disputed territories between the US and Canada, and each situation is different. Some of those might have been annexed at some point or another.

              A better example would be Canada and Denmark with Hans island. Each country claimed it in turn, back and forth. Every time each nation visited the island and claimed it they annexed it. Strictly speaking they probably didn’t need to visit the island to annex it, but with each side planting a flag to prove their claim they kind of had to visit in order to remove the old flag and make their latest claim superior.


              How is China expanding its territory and claiming that of other nations’ not annexing? If it isn’t that, then what is it?

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                  Few words from you, even less substance. Two questions were asked and answered:

                  I ask again, where has China, “taken those islands”?

                  China has “taken those islands” and that area of sea into their territory. Obviously it’s still in exactly the same place, but territory is being taken away from other nations.

                  For example, the US and Canada both claim several islands and territories owned by the other. Canadian maps show they own it, and American maps show they own it. Have either of the two countries “annexed” that territory?

                  There’s a handful of disputed territories between the US and Canada, and each situation is different. Some of those might have been annexed at some point or another.

                  Care to answer my questions?

                  How is China expanding its territory and claiming that of other nations’ not annexing? If it isn’t that, then what is it?

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                    Turns out you don’t need lengthy comments for substance.

                    Your “responses”:

                      1. You didn’t actually say what countries China annexed. Just “islands” and “territories”
                      1. “This situation is different”

                    Dunning-Kruger is in full effect here lmfao.

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                    How is China expanding its territory and claiming that of other nations’ not annexing? If it isn’t that, then what is it?

                    If China’s not physically there to claim it, they’re not really expanding their territory. South Korea considers itself to own all the territory of North Korea, but it can’t enforce that, so their claim doesn’t really matter.