You can literally predict what most college age leftists think about on any given news article before they even open their mouths.
They’ve descended into sloganeering identity politics and away from policy largely.
Lots of leftists genuinely believe society could just remove property, the police, money and all sorts of crazy shit and that we’d emerge out of the other side with no issues. They think problems are easily solved with just taxes on the rich and everybody just acting like them as though that’s a realistic proposal.
Don’t even get me started on the modern Monetary theorists who think there is no downside to endlessly printing money.
Yes, the far right are awfully shit too. But because the left is comparing themselves to people who can’t separate their arses from their elbows they are blind to their own biases and fallacies.
This whole comment is a straw man that feels like it was written by a walking Fox News segment.
They’ve descended into sloganeering identity politics and away from policy largely.
Completely nonsense. Just because there are some slogans like ACAB or BLM doesn’t mean that there aren’t policy proposals, it just means that “modern policing is a corrupt institution with bad systems that lead to bad outcomes and we should end qualified immunity and force police unions to pay when cops drastically abuse their power” doesn’t fit on a bumper sticker.
Lots of leftists genuinely believe society could just remove property, the police, money and all sorts of crazy shit
More complete nonsense. This is lemmy.ml, so they over represent here, but the vast majority of American leftists are mostly along the lines of “we should improve society somewhat.”
They think problems are easily solved with just taxes on the rich and everybody just acting like them as though that’s a realistic proposal.
This one I won’t disagree with. Quite a lot of things could be solved simply by taxing the rich, who are currently experiencing some of the lowest taxes in the history of the US, and during the US’s real heyday from 40-70 or so, were taxed at a significantly higher rate. They were also paid significantly less, with CEO to worker pay usually being around a 10-20x multiplier, instead of a 100s of times. This is simply empirically true, like the fact that other countries exist that do tax the wealthy more, have more social programs, and generally have better outcomes (lower crime, lower rates of poverty, lower rates of maternal mortality, lower overall average mortality, etc.) Even still, the calls for taxing the rich aren’t really even pushing for tax rates of the 50’s, they’re pushing for tax rates of like 2003, or even 2015 before they were given yet another tax break with no plan for paying for it. So yeah, pretty realistic given that we’ve done it in this country, and many countries are still doing it even more than we did.
Don’t even get me started on the modern Monetary theorists who think there is no downside to endlessly printing money.
Please don’t. This would be another argument against a straw man, unless you’re arguing for a gold standard or something which would just highlight a lack of knowledge about modern economic theory.
I don’t want to respond to people who just assume I’m American as is the case here. It makes it very difficult to even have a proper discussion.
I have no qualms with the people who just want to improve society in sensible ways, but you know the cohort I am referring to. These people arent your allies and are just as blind as the far right. They are over represented on Lemmy as you astutely observed.
Please open your eyes to how the right has driven the left to mimic them.
I think I agree with you. Since the left is more “popular” it now brings in more people with dumber takes. I do think though that some of the problem is were going to need some extreme solutions in the near future for increasingly pressing issues, and determining which of those are reactionary and lazy, and which are needed is difficult
You can literally predict what most college age leftists think about on any given news article before they even open their mouths.
They’ve descended into sloganeering identity politics and away from policy largely.
Lots of leftists genuinely believe society could just remove property, the police, money and all sorts of crazy shit and that we’d emerge out of the other side with no issues. They think problems are easily solved with just taxes on the rich and everybody just acting like them as though that’s a realistic proposal.
Don’t even get me started on the modern Monetary theorists who think there is no downside to endlessly printing money.
go ask some conservatives their opinion on trans people and see the incredible variance in their answers.
Yes, the far right are awfully shit too. But because the left is comparing themselves to people who can’t separate their arses from their elbows they are blind to their own biases and fallacies.
conservatives learn what hypocrisy is challenge
I’m not even a conservative, I’m a liberal/social democrat but nice try 👍
who just happens to agree with conservatives on everything
Sure I do mate.
This whole comment is a straw man that feels like it was written by a walking Fox News segment.
Completely nonsense. Just because there are some slogans like ACAB or BLM doesn’t mean that there aren’t policy proposals, it just means that “modern policing is a corrupt institution with bad systems that lead to bad outcomes and we should end qualified immunity and force police unions to pay when cops drastically abuse their power” doesn’t fit on a bumper sticker.
More complete nonsense. This is lemmy.ml, so they over represent here, but the vast majority of American leftists are mostly along the lines of “we should improve society somewhat.”
This one I won’t disagree with. Quite a lot of things could be solved simply by taxing the rich, who are currently experiencing some of the lowest taxes in the history of the US, and during the US’s real heyday from 40-70 or so, were taxed at a significantly higher rate. They were also paid significantly less, with CEO to worker pay usually being around a 10-20x multiplier, instead of a 100s of times. This is simply empirically true, like the fact that other countries exist that do tax the wealthy more, have more social programs, and generally have better outcomes (lower crime, lower rates of poverty, lower rates of maternal mortality, lower overall average mortality, etc.) Even still, the calls for taxing the rich aren’t really even pushing for tax rates of the 50’s, they’re pushing for tax rates of like 2003, or even 2015 before they were given yet another tax break with no plan for paying for it. So yeah, pretty realistic given that we’ve done it in this country, and many countries are still doing it even more than we did.
Please don’t. This would be another argument against a straw man, unless you’re arguing for a gold standard or something which would just highlight a lack of knowledge about modern economic theory.
I’ve never watched Fox News in my life.
I don’t want to respond to people who just assume I’m American as is the case here. It makes it very difficult to even have a proper discussion.
I have no qualms with the people who just want to improve society in sensible ways, but you know the cohort I am referring to. These people arent your allies and are just as blind as the far right. They are over represented on Lemmy as you astutely observed.
Please open your eyes to how the right has driven the left to mimic them.
I think I agree with you. Since the left is more “popular” it now brings in more people with dumber takes. I do think though that some of the problem is were going to need some extreme solutions in the near future for increasingly pressing issues, and determining which of those are reactionary and lazy, and which are needed is difficult