• BB69@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    You have to understand that the world is drastically different between Obama’s presidency and now.

    You can’t flip a switch and make a nation of 346 million people be a social democracy. You have to slowly roll in changes.

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          1 year ago

          I was on it myself for 4 years. And thank god too, as I got into a nasty car accident when I had it.

          There’s more to the ACA than the healthcare marketplaces. The law includes governing what healthcare plans must cover, prohibits canceling or refusing to cover thingsfor pre-existing conditions, requires health plans come with prescription coverage, and even demands health care plans spend a certain percentage of premium dollars paid on actual healthcare, essentially capping the profit margin of insurance companies.

          The millions of people that got healthcare because of the marketplace / subsidies are a win, but there’s even more people who were able to get coverage because insurance companies could no longer deny them. Prior to the ACA, for instance, people with T1 diabetes were fucked if they ever had a stint of unemployment, as they would loose coverage, and then when finding a new job, if they didn’t do it fast enough, would have to wait 6 - 12 months before the new employer’s plan would cover things like insulin. People with cancer would get all cancer-related treatments denied because their employer decided to exclude cancer treatments in order to keep premiums low. The ACA put a stop to that.

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              1 year ago

              Obama has said it himself on multiple occasions

              https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/

              Was it terrible? No. But it was a half measure, already a compromise and the watered down more by Republicans. it was absolutely not progressive, it was liberal/centrist at best.

              A progressive health care plan would be a single payer universal healthcare system

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                1 year ago

                Just because it was watered down by the republicans doesn’t make it not “progressive”. It was “progressive” compared to the other option, which was literally not having any sort of health care coverage/insurance. Things are never that binary.

                Remember Obama started with Universal Health care at some point and we ended up with ACA, which is still a win.

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                  1 year ago

                  I’m talking about progressivism as a defined political ideology, not a vauge statement of making progress.

                  Obamas healthcare plan was inherently neoliberal, which is a centrist, or even center-right ideology. The market exchange is a capitalist solution to the problem that the health care companies can profit from

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

                  It’s no secret the Democrats aren’t exactly left leaning by global standards, in reality they are a center-right party that mainly still practices Neoliberalism

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                    1 year ago

                    I realize what you’re doing, but I’m questioning why are you viewing events from the lens of classical ideologies? How is that relevant to viewing whether a policy was beneficial terms of actual progress or not? It’s actually hurting your opinion and outlook since you’re now attributing terms that have a different meaning in contemporary discussion and discourse as opposed to it’s classical definition.