Massachusetts’ law prohibiting the possession and sale of some semiautomatic weapons commonly used in mass shootings is acceptable under a recent change to Second Amendment precedent from the US Supreme Court, a federal judge said Thursday.
What’s the difference between hoarding and collecting? Am I a hoarder or a collector if I have 7 cars? Am I a hoarder or a collector if I have 50+ computers?
Well… This presumes there is a difference. Maybe a collector is just a hoarder with enough money? Let’s try this: accumulating a stock of items that are priced based on historicity and rarity is collecting. Amassing a bunch of things that are mass produced and have no value beyond the intrinsic is hoarding.
No. There’s a clear line that someone crosses when they’re hoarding. The physical space is unsafe and the people typically have some deep trauma they are not working through well. GP used the term “hoarding” to describe “dangerous weapons collectors” in a slurry way.
GP used the term “hoarding” to describe “dangerous weapons collectors” in a slurry way.
I’m not sure what “a slurry way” is, but it doesn’t sound very kind.
I just mean “hoarding” in the way a dragon amasses gold. More than could serve any conceivable purpose.
The physical space is unsafe and the people typically have some deep trauma they are not working through well.
This is a fairly modern definition tied to a very particular mental illness popularized by reality tv programs. It’s not the dictionary definition of “hoarding”.
That seems like a convenient definition if one wants to okay possession of large numbers of guns. Thinking on it, collecting anything with no non-intrinsic value seems like obsessive behavior. Just because the obsession doesn’t express itself in physically hazardous ways doesn’t mean it’s healthy.
Mental health is largely about being functional. There are lots of people out there who are functional but unwell (and they are considered mentally healthy) until one day something pushes us over the brink. My son has bipolar and is able to function fairly well, but the incident that led to the diagnosis was a disaster. No one knew until he flipped in an incident that put him and everyone around him in danger. Fortunately guns weren’t involved.
The point of which is the accumulation of guns may very well be an indicator of a mental illness being kept in check and just waiting for the right trigger to turn into tragedy. And regardless of whether you agree or not, I think that’s what the OC was getting at: amassing a bunch of anything, specifically guns in this case, beyond what one can use is inherently an indicator of illness. I agree with that in concept although I think there is a lot of room for disagreement about what is an unhealthy number.
This. When people talk about their rights they almost never mention anyone else who’s right are being infringed upon by them exercising them and what the priorities of the rights are…
It’s such a simple concept really. But some people and groups of people are just so selfish they would rather designate entire classes of population as less-than-humans to get around this.
Is this a new ban? There’s been some form of assault weapon ban in MA since the 90s, I believe. I thought this ruling was referring to the existing one.
Bump stocks increase fire rate by sacrificing any ability to aim the gun with sights. An aimed 22 rifle can be more deadly at range than an AR with a bump stock. A stock AR is more effective at killing than a bump stock equipped AR in the vast majority of situations.
Basically, bump stocks are a kind of useless thing to focus on. The vast majority of gun owners prefer a stock AR over one with a bump stock. The real issue that should be focused on is capacity. Having to reload throws a big wrench in the rate of fire thing you are talking about.
hot take: banning one of the possible tools for school schootings doesn’t solve school shootings.
taking depressed and deranged people’s guns is.
any gun can kill people.
This isn’t a hot take. It’s a willfully ignorant take.
Hoarding guns sounds like a pretty clear cut indicator of mental instability if you ask me.
What’s the difference between hoarding and collecting? Am I a hoarder or a collector if I have 7 cars? Am I a hoarder or a collector if I have 50+ computers?
Well… This presumes there is a difference. Maybe a collector is just a hoarder with enough money? Let’s try this: accumulating a stock of items that are priced based on historicity and rarity is collecting. Amassing a bunch of things that are mass produced and have no value beyond the intrinsic is hoarding.
No. There’s a clear line that someone crosses when they’re hoarding. The physical space is unsafe and the people typically have some deep trauma they are not working through well. GP used the term “hoarding” to describe “dangerous weapons collectors” in a slurry way.
I’m not sure what “a slurry way” is, but it doesn’t sound very kind.
I just mean “hoarding” in the way a dragon amasses gold. More than could serve any conceivable purpose.
This is a fairly modern definition tied to a very particular mental illness popularized by reality tv programs. It’s not the dictionary definition of “hoarding”.
That seems like a convenient definition if one wants to okay possession of large numbers of guns. Thinking on it, collecting anything with no non-intrinsic value seems like obsessive behavior. Just because the obsession doesn’t express itself in physically hazardous ways doesn’t mean it’s healthy.
Mental health is largely about being functional. There are lots of people out there who are functional but unwell (and they are considered mentally healthy) until one day something pushes us over the brink. My son has bipolar and is able to function fairly well, but the incident that led to the diagnosis was a disaster. No one knew until he flipped in an incident that put him and everyone around him in danger. Fortunately guns weren’t involved.
The point of which is the accumulation of guns may very well be an indicator of a mental illness being kept in check and just waiting for the right trigger to turn into tragedy. And regardless of whether you agree or not, I think that’s what the OC was getting at: amassing a bunch of anything, specifically guns in this case, beyond what one can use is inherently an indicator of illness. I agree with that in concept although I think there is a lot of room for disagreement about what is an unhealthy number.
Dumb take, also learn to spell shootings properly
that’s just a fucking strawman
If you are going to throw fancy words around, it’s more of a reductio ad absurdum.
Doesn’t matter if it’s a dumb take, because:
Your Amendment does not supersede my right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
This. When people talk about their rights they almost never mention anyone else who’s right are being infringed upon by them exercising them and what the priorities of the rights are…
It’s such a simple concept really. But some people and groups of people are just so selfish they would rather designate entire classes of population as less-than-humans to get around this.
Owning an AR15 does not take away someone else’s rights.
Good thing it’s an amendment and can be changed.
MA has one of the lowest rates of gun violence in the country.
and? these guns just now got banned.
that’s good for MA, but there are more factors at play than just “semi-auto guns exist”
Is this a new ban? There’s been some form of assault weapon ban in MA since the 90s, I believe. I thought this ruling was referring to the existing one.
You don’t think there’s a difference between a weapon that can spray hundreds bullets in less than a minute vs. one that can’t?
Because any AR-15 with a bump stock can do that.
This is an argument for banning all guns.
Fun: Cars, hamburgers, alcohol, COVID all killed more people in the last few years than guns, statistically speaking…
Bump stocks increase fire rate by sacrificing any ability to aim the gun with sights. An aimed 22 rifle can be more deadly at range than an AR with a bump stock. A stock AR is more effective at killing than a bump stock equipped AR in the vast majority of situations.
Basically, bump stocks are a kind of useless thing to focus on. The vast majority of gun owners prefer a stock AR over one with a bump stock. The real issue that should be focused on is capacity. Having to reload throws a big wrench in the rate of fire thing you are talking about.