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- No Gaza ceasefire until Israel war aims achieved, Netanyahu says
- US: they’re accepting any time now … any time …
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They might accept the short term cease fire but I have my doubts that this war is over.
Wake me when it happens.
Bibi is being pulled in two directions. His right, which put him in power and keeps him there, definitely doesn’t want this deal and threatens to explode his cabinet. But, to the left there is a very large amount of folks that want this deal. They too promise to blow up his coalition government. Bibi, for his part, is looking for a way to have his cake and eat it too.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-90-of-jewish-israelis-say-gaza-op-justified/
Over 90 percent of Jewish Israelis believe Operation Protective Edge is justified, with less than 4% saying they think Israeli has used excessive firepower against targets in the Gaza Strip
Where is your “Israeli left”?
Your poll is from 2014 about a different operation.
Oh whoops. Good catch.
Here’s one from 2 months ago that’s no less bloodthirsty: https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-half-of-jewish-israelis-say-israel-should-run-gaza-after-the-war-0-say-hamas/
Only 4% of Jewish Israelis […] say “Israel’s military response against Hamas in Gaza has gone too far.”
Israel should run Gaza. Who else would even want to do it?
I said this before, but I think third party intervention is needed in case of I/P. 2ss won’t work, and 1ss won’t work. So, that leaves third party intervention as the only viable option. I’d personally would carve a little of Israel’s territory, a little of Palestine’s territory. Then evacuate Israelis and Palestinians. Then place a strong military and have a justice system which involves extrajudicial arrests and investigations. Then negotiations can start.
In the streets and in the cabinet.
Just because Israelis don’t follow your definitions of justification, doesn’t mean they don’t want to end it.
An example would be Afghanistan. Americans thought the invasion of Afghanistan was justified. They also wanted to end it.
With regard to the prospect of a ceasefire, about 80% of respondents voiced their opposition to a unilateral Israeli ceasefire lasting 48 hours and continuing for a longer period of time if rocket fire stops. Most — about 65% — also said they would not support an immediate ceasefire in order to discuss terms for a longer-term truce. Most participants, just over 60%, said they would agree to a ceasefire only if an agreement were reached on conditions for sustaining quiet on the Gaza border.
“A quiet gaza border” means they want to return to the pre-Oct 7th siege of Gaza. These people are not left, they just want the eradication of the Palestinian people to happen quietly and politely.
Wrong.
Must be nice to know something I don’t
How long have they been saying a ceasefire is right around the corner, and how long will they keep saying it? Probably right on through November, at least. Are people really still buying it?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The US government has “every expectation” that Israel will accept a ceasefire proposal that would begin with a six-week cessation of hostilities in Gaza if Hamas takes the deal, according to National Security Council spokesman John Kirby.
The three-part plan unveiled by President Joe Biden last week would also be a “surge” of humanitarian aid, as well as an exchange of some hostages for Palestinian prisoners before a permanent end to the war.
Speaking to ABC News on Sunday morning, Mr Kirby said that the US had “every expectation” that Israel would “say yes” to the proposed ceasefire deal if Hamas accepts.
Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich and National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said they were opposed to striking any deal before Hamas was destroyed.Similarly, Mr Netanyahu has insisted that there will be no ceasefire until Hamas’s military and governing capabilities are destroyed and all hostages are released.Hanoch Milwidsky, a senior member of the Knesset for Mr Netanyahu’s Likud Party, told the BBC on Sunday that Israel’s governing coalition is unified in opposition to the deal, which he called “completely unacceptable”.
Mr Kirby, for his part, said that US intelligence now believes that Hamas has been militarily degraded to the extent that it can no longer repeat an attack such as that which its fighters conducted on 7 October.
More than 36,000 people have been killed across Gaza since the start of the conflict, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.The war began in October when Hamas gunmen launched an unprecedented attack on Israel, killing about 1,200 people and taking 252 back to Gaza as hostages.In the US, President Biden has faced growing domestic criticism over the level of US support for Israel, as well as calls to do more to encourage the warring sides to negotiate.
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