The sorry state of streaming residuals shows why SAG and the WGA are striking.

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    I don’t get any money from the systems I setup at work as an IT worker years ago, even if they are used every day in perpetuity and make the company billions.

    Where’s my income in perpetuity for creative problem solving?

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      It should be in your bank account instead of the pockets of investors that do 0 work and generate 0 value

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        If investors do 0 work and generate 0 value, why are they included at all?

        Writers and actors should cut out investors and make their content independently. If they need money, they could borrow some under the condition that they share the profits if their content makes money. Wait a second…

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        Ok… but then why would they pay to have it done in the first place?

        I’ve solved issues that have saved transit riders hundreds of thousands of hours of time… but so have other people. I don’t know how such an accounting of the return for investment I made would work.

        When my solutions stop working as well, due to misc design/need drift, how do we decide how much I lose and the next me gets?.

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      This just in: different payment structures are different. Different valuation of output is different. Unfair under-valuations are unfair. What a discovery.

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      Did you not get paid hourly or salary for the work? Your compensation package was different. Did you not have a steady job? Did you not know you were going in there next week?

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        I think the latent question here is - how were expectations and/or contracts for writers any different from hourly workers who have never expected royalties?

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          The previous comment did most of the work for you. Writers, actors, crew, and generally everyone involved in the entertainment industry does not have a salary gig like office workers. They aren’t working consistently–which has only gotten worse in the streaming era–and thus rely on royalties as part of their total compensation.

          So, in summary, they are completely different situations that cannot be directly compared.

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            There are freelance/gig workers in other industries. Programming has had a massive freelance market for ages. It’s practically unheard of for them to receive royalties, so it seems like you don’t need to rely on royalties.

            And writers do have a salary gig in the vast majority of cases. It’s just usually not a long term position. They are hired for the duration of the project, and then need to find something new.

            That’s not unique to writers or Hollywood at all. Many people are hired for the duration of a project, including managers, engineers, construction workers and so on. None of them receive royalties.

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      Did you take your job at a rate of pay based on getting paid residuals in perpetuity?

      This is like you taking a contract where they continue to pay you a licence fee for each server that they use your product on, then they move the product to a cloud system so they can get the output of 100 servers with only a single server licence.

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        Wait writers normally get royalties for their work? What the fuck that’s amazing, so Netflix is just in violation of a contract then? Why doesn’t the WGA just sue them?

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          Because the contract probably pays differently depending on the broadcast method and didn’t take streaming into account

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      I have the same stance. Just because I designed a product, I don’t get a percentage of each product sold.

      Because if we did that for everyone who were responsible for it, it’d skyrocket the said products price.

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      Fight for a better contract instead of bitching on the internet about other people who have the balls to do it.

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      Honestly.

      I don’t understand why people are so up in arms around artists and the entertainment industry. Flat payment is commonplace in most industries. These people agreed to the payment they were given.

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        You basically agree to it with a knife in your back because it is the only deal available and they’re using the money and power against your desire to be heard or seen.

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          Welcome to the world of minimum wage service jobs for something like 30% of the population.

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        And now they’re out here trying to get a better agreement as is their right, and you’re bitching about it.

        Why are you so upset that writers are trying to get a living wage?