Ok, well I always thought it was weird Chakotay didn’t get mentioned much in newer trek. I thought it was mostly because his character was a massive fail in attempting to portray an indigenous character but maybe it is also just because the actor himself sucks?
he’s not the only Trek (or even the only VOY) actor to run afoul of fans because said Bad Things™ on Twitter.
In 2017, Manu Intiraymi, who played Icheb on VOY, tweeted some nasty comments in defense of Kevin Spacey who was accused of sexually assaulting DIS actor Anthony Rapp when he was 14. Not only did Trek fans collectively have an aneurysm (and rightly so), Paramount cut ties with him over the incident. Not long after, his character, Icheb, was killed especially brutally in an episode of PIC— while also portrayed by a different actor. Many interpreted that as those working on Trek telling Intiraymi exactly how they felt about his comments— while also closing the door on his ever returning.
They basically “Far Beyond the Stars-ed” him and instead of giving the character a fitting resolution, he became the only lead character in Trek to never be mentioned again, even though his last appearance was set up for a return. Instead they decided to bring back Picard (and I guess Data, three times) and gave the Dominion story to him.
I don’t think he get blacklisted, I think Brooks just didn’t have any further interest in Trek and moved on. It’s discussed a bit in the DS9 documentary What We Left Behind. He’s kinda… eccentric. If you’ve ever seen any interviews with him (which he tends to avoid), he’s sorta off in his own world. IIRC, he’s a jazz professor at a University someplace in California and happy doing that.
In the few interviews he’s done he’s been very clear that he’s finished acting and no desire to work. He just wants to listen to jazz and enjoy his life. Can’t blame the guy.
that whole icheb thing is just a ridiculous fan conspiracy. That Icheb scene didn’t come out of nowhere, it was a minor callback for VOY fans and tied into the Borg plot in PIC. they’re not going to re-write the show just to stick it to such an insignificant actor; simply casting a different actor as icheb is enough of a “fuck you” if that’s what they were going for.
it didn’t seem too ridiculous considering what he said, and they didn’t have to rewrite anything. they just had to write it. the scene was pretty over-the-top in its brutality. it didn’t take much “interpretation” to see the hostility there.
they had to write it, cut out time for it, and work it into the existing plot. basically rewriting. that season of PIC was all over the place in terms of violence, tone, etc, there’s absolutely no reason to assume the brutality of that scene was anything other than them trying to be edgy.
also the logic of murdering a character, a very minor trek character, as somehow denouncing or personally attacking a small time actor is a silly notion on its face. As I said earlier just recasting would have had the same effect to Intiraymi.
they had to write it, cut out time for it, and work it into the existing plot. basically rewriting
the incident happened in 2017. the episode came out years later. there was no “existing plot” to rewrite, lmao. and the blood and gore and horror was far beyond the rest of what happened that episode or even season.
you’re twisting yourself in knots to explain away something very obvious.
Ok, well I always thought it was weird Chakotay didn’t get mentioned much in newer trek. I thought it was mostly because his character was a massive fail in attempting to portray an indigenous character but maybe it is also just because the actor himself sucks?
he’s not the only Trek (or even the only VOY) actor to run afoul of fans because said Bad Things™ on Twitter.
In 2017, Manu Intiraymi, who played Icheb on VOY, tweeted some nasty comments in defense of Kevin Spacey who was accused of sexually assaulting DIS actor Anthony Rapp when he was 14. Not only did Trek fans collectively have an aneurysm (and rightly so), Paramount cut ties with him over the incident. Not long after, his character, Icheb, was killed especially brutally in an episode of PIC— while also portrayed by a different actor. Many interpreted that as those working on Trek telling Intiraymi exactly how they felt about his comments— while also closing the door on his ever returning.
What’s the story with blacklisting Avery Brooks?
They basically “Far Beyond the Stars-ed” him and instead of giving the character a fitting resolution, he became the only lead character in Trek to never be mentioned again, even though his last appearance was set up for a return. Instead they decided to bring back Picard (and I guess Data, three times) and gave the Dominion story to him.
Who the fuck did Avery piss off?
I don’t think he get blacklisted, I think Brooks just didn’t have any further interest in Trek and moved on. It’s discussed a bit in the DS9 documentary What We Left Behind. He’s kinda… eccentric. If you’ve ever seen any interviews with him (which he tends to avoid), he’s sorta off in his own world. IIRC, he’s a jazz professor at a University someplace in California and happy doing that.
Brooks retired.
In the few interviews he’s done he’s been very clear that he’s finished acting and no desire to work. He just wants to listen to jazz and enjoy his life. Can’t blame the guy.
that whole icheb thing is just a ridiculous fan conspiracy. That Icheb scene didn’t come out of nowhere, it was a minor callback for VOY fans and tied into the Borg plot in PIC. they’re not going to re-write the show just to stick it to such an insignificant actor; simply casting a different actor as icheb is enough of a “fuck you” if that’s what they were going for.
it didn’t seem too ridiculous considering what he said, and they didn’t have to rewrite anything. they just had to write it. the scene was pretty over-the-top in its brutality. it didn’t take much “interpretation” to see the hostility there.
they had to write it, cut out time for it, and work it into the existing plot. basically rewriting. that season of PIC was all over the place in terms of violence, tone, etc, there’s absolutely no reason to assume the brutality of that scene was anything other than them trying to be edgy.
also the logic of murdering a character, a very minor trek character, as somehow denouncing or personally attacking a small time actor is a silly notion on its face. As I said earlier just recasting would have had the same effect to Intiraymi.
the incident happened in 2017. the episode came out years later. there was no “existing plot” to rewrite, lmao. and the blood and gore and horror was far beyond the rest of what happened that episode or even season.
you’re twisting yourself in knots to explain away something very obvious.