Well that’s not very Chakotay
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Ok, well I always thought it was weird Chakotay didn’t get mentioned much in newer trek. I thought it was mostly because his character was a massive fail in attempting to portray an indigenous character but maybe it is also just because the actor himself sucks?
he’s not the only Trek (or even the only VOY) actor to run afoul of fans because said Bad Things™ on Twitter.
In 2017, Manu Intiraymi, who played Icheb on VOY, tweeted some nasty comments in defense of Kevin Spacey who was accused of sexually assaulting DIS actor Anthony Rapp when he was 14. Not only did Trek fans collectively have an aneurysm (and rightly so), Paramount cut ties with him over the incident. Not long after, his character, Icheb, was killed especially brutally in an episode of PIC— while also portrayed by a different actor. Many interpreted that as those working on Trek telling Intiraymi exactly how they felt about his comments— while also closing the door on his ever returning.
What’s the story with blacklisting Avery Brooks?
They basically “Far Beyond the Stars-ed” him and instead of giving the character a fitting resolution, he became the only lead character in Trek to never be mentioned again, even though his last appearance was set up for a return. Instead they decided to bring back Picard (and I guess Data, three times) and gave the Dominion story to him.
Who the fuck did Avery piss off?
I don’t think he get blacklisted, I think Brooks just didn’t have any further interest in Trek and moved on. It’s discussed a bit in the DS9 documentary What We Left Behind. He’s kinda… eccentric. If you’ve ever seen any interviews with him (which he tends to avoid), he’s sorta off in his own world. IIRC, he’s a jazz professor at a University someplace in California and happy doing that.
Brooks retired.
In the few interviews he’s done he’s been very clear that he’s finished acting and no desire to work. He just wants to listen to jazz and enjoy his life. Can’t blame the guy.
that whole icheb thing is just a ridiculous fan conspiracy. That Icheb scene didn’t come out of nowhere, it was a minor callback for VOY fans and tied into the Borg plot in PIC. they’re not going to re-write the show just to stick it to such an insignificant actor; simply casting a different actor as icheb is enough of a “fuck you” if that’s what they were going for.
it didn’t seem too ridiculous considering what he said, and they didn’t have to rewrite anything. they just had to write it. the scene was pretty over-the-top in its brutality. it didn’t take much “interpretation” to see the hostility there.
they had to write it, cut out time for it, and work it into the existing plot. basically rewriting. that season of PIC was all over the place in terms of violence, tone, etc, there’s absolutely no reason to assume the brutality of that scene was anything other than them trying to be edgy.
also the logic of murdering a character, a very minor trek character, as somehow denouncing or personally attacking a small time actor is a silly notion on its face. As I said earlier just recasting would have had the same effect to Intiraymi.
they had to write it, cut out time for it, and work it into the existing plot. basically rewriting
the incident happened in 2017. the episode came out years later. there was no “existing plot” to rewrite, lmao. and the blood and gore and horror was far beyond the rest of what happened that episode or even season.
you’re twisting yourself in knots to explain away something very obvious.
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“People in the lgbtq+ community aren’t real trek fans” is absolutely not what he said.
he agreed with it, which is tantamount to saying it himself.
He shouldn’t have agreed with this asshole who tweeted at him, but that is what he did wrong.
yet, you’re here defending him? so, you think it’s ok to agree with bigotry as long as you don’t say it out loud? wow
But this is just not good enough for the woman who quote tweeted him and just had to add her own little flair to the truth to make it sound worse.
Beltran says agrees with a homophobic/transphobic tweet, and your problem is that someone objected? So, to you, the bigotry isn’t the problem, but the fact that anyone has a problem with bigotry and speaks out against it? Because that’s what it sounds like.
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He has also gone on to block a large number of LGBTQ fans tweeting to simply ask if he meant what was implied or not. The situation ain’t good.
He has also gone on to block a large number of LGBTQ fans tweeting to simply ask if he meant what was implied or not. The situation ain’t good.
Yeah that is not good! And I’m glad people asked.
To others, on the off chance this actually appears. Apologies if my meaning was not clear. I think that the person Beltran responded to is homophobic and disgusting. I also thought that the person quote tweeting him put words in his mouth. Both of these things are bad.
Clearly with the additional context from this comment Beltran is also an asshole. All of the others seemed to think that me expressing both opinions above means I was “defending” Beltran, which is not the case. It was also possible to interpret what he said as trying to avoid the question. I assume that’s why people asked him to clarify.
It’s ok. Being fair, open minded, and happy to hear new info is the best way to go about these things. This is the first time a bunch of people are hearing about Beltran being a bit of a bigoted arsehole but he’s been like this for years (didn’t used to be this bad, at least overtly, but has gotten more so with age). Those who have been in the convention scene for a fair time are in no way shocked.
But this is just not good enough for the woman who quote tweeted him and just had to add her own little flair to the truth to make it sound worse.
worse than agreeing that LGBTQ+ people aren’t real Trek fans? how, exactly? please explain, because when you are with someone who thinks things like that, it’s as bad as saying it yourself, especially when you do it publicly. I can’t think of why anyone would come here of all places to defend that.
Endorsing homophobic comments on what? Usually explaining what X stands for is a good idea.
Is there an /s missing?
Should there be? I genuinely don’t know what the x stands for.
Twitter rebrand. Now called ‘X’
Oh lol, that’s fucking stupid.
Congrats. You’re the 7 millionth person to display more business sense this summer than Elon Musk.
I think we should all just refer to is as “the service formerly known as twitter”.