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Who here is going to put their ID and photo on X/Twitter
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Twitter aside, if any website or app ever asks this of you, please nope the fuck out.
I guess it only occasionally makes sense for government web sites and banks. X might have ambitions to become a bank, so in that sense it might make sense.
So another piece of advice: if twitter ever asks you if you want to start using it for banking, nope the fuck out.
You Americans should get to this century and start performing digital strong authentications like the rest of us. Sending picture of your ID to anyone is insane :)
How we do it here in Finland is that there are digital identity providers which use bank/mobile carrier to identify you. They then use MFA when identifying you. Any service can use these services to do strong authentication for you. And they don’t cost anything for the customer, and is really cheap for the company who wants to identify you. It is also build into the law that you must identify people using these, to avoid identity theft.
We’re still trying to decide if slavery was wrong give us some time
Half our country thinks that would be the mark of the Beast or some shit.
How doss your bank identify you?
When you walk in, the guy goes “hey Sam! I tupped your mom the other night.”
By the card they issued me when I opened the account.
But how did they authenticate your identity when you opened the account? I’d not trying to be an arse - but at some point it will likely have come back to matching some official photo id against your face.
It’s not like the bank KEEPS your ID
They once identify you from your driver’s license, government id card or passport. After that you for example link your smart phone to you, and you use their app when you identify.
You can also use mobile carriers, they send a push notification directly to you phone+sim. Not sure what protocol they use here, because it opens up an UI which is plain android, and asks pin.
Everything relays on chain of trust that since one service has identified you, the next can trust too. Plus there is MFA to verify that you actually made the identification request.
I mean that’s how it’s like here in the States too. Show your paperwork at registration and that’s it.
The initial argument was ‘sending is to anyone is insane’ but that’s what you do with the bank. Yes it’s only once - but that’s the same as the other systems we are taking about here.
We have that
Idk, I’ve got my hands in a lot of financial cookie jars, and I don’t recall ever being asked for something like this. At the very least, not in this manner.
It’s pretty standard for European banks thanks to Know Your Customer laws.
If you keep in mind that it’s only done with special certified subcontractors, then yes. I would never give that information directly to a company like X. And yes, also those special companies are more times shady than they should be, but still.
Call it Twitter please
If you keep in mind that it’s only done with special certified subcontractors, then yes.
Dunno what you’re talking about here but I’ve had to go through something similar every time I’ve opened a new account with a financial service.
But yeah, I would not trust Twitter/X either. Musk is too much of an emotional child following whatever whim takes his fancy that day.
I know there’s a similar-ish process for accessing Spanish social security services online at least, and I believe it’s the same for some other services as well.
Then again, Spanish public services are not exactly the gold standard for digitalization.
Wait are you Spanish too? Those websites look like they’ve been made by a secretary’s cousin that only knew how to copy and paste in the 90s
I just have a few Spanish friends! And from what they’re telling me that’s probably exactly how these websites were made.
He’s definitely pushing for Twitter to be the next WeChat.
Can’t wait for the social credit system
To follow his dystopian vision of Twitter as the Everything app, in the US it will have to be a bank at some point. The same way that Apple is now a bank in order to power parts of their wallet and payment platforms.
Apple also now offers savings accounts. And it’s been surprisingly successful.
That is because Apple has a cult following that begs to spend more money on Apple.
Or maybe because it has an APY of over 4%, which is pretty damn good for a savings account. If Google came up with a +4% APY savings account, I’m sure people would sign up for that in droves too.
Also, there are Apple, Google/Android, Microsoft and Linux cults. Apple is not unique in that arena.
Yeah, PayPal sure as fuck ain’t a bank. And the same douche started that.
Max Levchin, Peter Thiel, and Luke Nosek own Twitter?
The only government function that has ever wanted a “selfie” was for my drivers license and passport. Both of which feature that picture. But I’ve never done either through a site.
It’s stupid as well, because it’s impossible to authenticate an id or passport from a photo. You can just photoshop something and send that in.
incorrect. it is actually fairly easy to authenticate an id or passport from a photo. Photoshopping something is easily spotted by a trained eye. Source i work as a document expert for an online ID verification company. the amount of fakes we spot each day are fairly large and its not all automatically processed. Also for those people that don’t know where there data is proccesed. there are actually a lot of laws in place to protect your data for example for EU citizens
So just … photoshop and print a fake ID and ask a stranger to take a picture with it.
I doubt you will see the ID clearly enough to make out the photoshopped parts.
nah thats why we reject on bad quality if we can’t see all the sec features or if documents are printed or on a screen. Things like laser engraving are actually easy to see the difference between Photoshop and real.
Sure, a bad photoshop can be spotted, but you can’t spot it if the forger put in just a little bit of effort. The fact that you can spot some fakes doesn’t mean you spot all fakes.
Hence why we have minimum picture quality were we reject if too low quality plus in 6 years of working i have only seen a handful of fraudsters put in effort. most don’t put in effort and are either shoddy photoshops or people use camouflage passports(aka passports from non existing countries)the thing is that most printing techniques are easily visible on official passports. things like laser engraving and embossing are hard to photoshop and if people try they often look digitally replaced. But for doing my work it also has made we agree that not all companies need every data you have. But yes it does hell that i have done Print design before this job so know about how things are printed plus knowing how photoshop works
YouTube does this sadly.
Seriously???
Only if you want to watch adult-themed videos, which they have been more lenient towards after the introduction of YouTube Kids and this measure. NewPipe and
yt-dlpcan still stream them, though, and you could also interact with the video (like, comment, save to playlists) using the official frontend last time I checked.More lenient?!
I like to watch people playing Hearts of Iron 4 (a WW2 strategy game) and most of the creators avoid saying “Hitler” to avoid getting demonetized and hit with an age check.
It’s getting a lot worse.
What I meant is that fewer videos get removed when age-restricting them is an option. Demonetization of any keywords relating to objectionable topics is still ridiculous, though, especially when the company has major AI research labs that could figure out how to differentiate between use in historical context and propaganda. However, that does not pay the bills and they don’t need more users & creators to be happy about the platform.
Then nope the fuck out of Hetzner then. They asked that of me.
Now imagine if all websites did
Outside of services where you need to access it (ex. school / exams / government services), one beneficial one might be dating apps. There’s an advantage to being verified.
Although none of them ask for ID from what I understand, just “hold up 3 fingers and take a touch your nose” or something…
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PayPal did and I need this service for almost any online purchase. Credit card is uncommon here and expensive. :/
Yep. Fuck you airbnb!
This.👆
Don’t do this. Delete your Xitter account and use Mastodon instead.
Xitter
In my head that’s pronounced “shitter”
That is indeed my intent.
I’m seeing equal parts shitter and exiter.
Man I never had a Twitter account to begin with, lol. Any Internet site that wants my ID can eat a dick instead because I will straight-up close that tab and 360 moonwalk right out the door.
- While “Safety Dance” plays faintly in the background.
This is the right answer.
I, for one, want to thank Elon Musk for graciously backing up my highly sensitive government ID (that has my birthdate, eye color, height, weight), my biometric data, and likeness! It is such a nice thing to centralize all my most sensitive data into one giant honeypot waiting to meltdown. It is made even more appealing after he fired the entire staff responsible for maintaining this honeypot!
Over/under before data breach and this all gets leaked?
Considering all the past, current, and future disgruntled employees - I wouldn’t be shocked at all by an insider leaking stuff like this. The company is unstable like its leadership - which isn’t very trust-inspiring.
Well, that’s a possibility too, but I was expecting that they just lose the data through over-work or negligence. Remember, this is the company that DDOS’d itself a month or two ago and had to be told about it on twitter…
Following the theory that the leadership at twitter actually hate the users and are decimating the platform on purpose for the lols, maybe the outcome you suggest is the plan.
Part of me believes this theory, because it’s hard to imagine how someone even with the explicit stated purpose of destroying twitter could have topped the recent developments. It’s almost as if what they’re trying to do is embarrass and degrade the users.
90s: stay anonymous, be careful with strangers, don’t give up any more info than you have to. The internet can be a dangerous place. Also, supervise your kids and have them ask permission to go online.
2010s-2020s: livestream your life 24/7, use real names and emails everywhere when signing up for bullshit, hand your kid a phone and let them go buck wild as well.
It’s also ironic that the same generation of parents telling us to be careful online and “don’t believe everything you see on TV” are the same ones that get their news from grifter pundits and divisive facebook memes generated by Russian bot farms.
It’s remarkable isn’t it? Now we’re the ones telling our parents to turn off the TV and get off the internet or it’ll rot their brains.
growing up these days includes realizing your parents are shameful hypocrites who are knowingly destroying the world
The funny thing is that you probably think you get news legitimately.
But the truth is that it’s all propaganda. The only difference between CNN and Fox, or reddit/Twitter/Facebook, is the angle.
But it’s all bullshit.
‘News’ doesn’t exist anymore, instead of just giving the facts, every article tries to tell you what you should think.
Oh, is this the fabled “bOtH sIdEs” argument?
It is decidedly proven that Fox N*ws is much less factual than any other source of news.
Even they themselves said in court that Fox N*ws is an opinion piece and no reasonable viewer would take them seriously.
So don’t compare actual news groups to something like Fox N*ws. They shouldn’t even be allowed to have the word “news” in their name.
Boomers love to give advice and they hate to follow it—even their own!
I still sign up for websites with the following credentials:
Joe Blow 6969 Penetration Ave Beverly Hills, California 90210
I usually use the email “[email protected]”
People got mad when they didn’t know who insulted them online
I miss the 90’s, a better time for sure.
Feels quite dystopian at the moment.
governments and politicians got their hands on it
Looking forward to the inevitable massive data breach.
Will be even more interesting when they inevitably hold the data for longer than the 30 days
Providing this info in the first place is the data breach… 🥴
it’s not a matter of if, but a matter of when.
Man, Elon’s got one hell of a boner for WeChat, huh? I honestly feel embarassed for him. WeChat is WeChat because it’s Chinese – there is no secret formula for Elon to steal. The circumstances which created WeChat simply do not exist in the west and IMO it should stay that way.
Tbf, I think he has wanted to have an everything app going back to his PayPal days. I still think it’s a stupid idea for the American market.
There’s an entire plotline in Startup where the main character is desperately trying to create an everything app after seeing someone in an Asian country with 1 app on their phone.
Spoiler alert - most of the development staff ends up quitting and it bombs on launch because nobody in the West is remotely interested in an “everything” app.
It exists. It’s called android! Honestly though, that’s why Google developed it. They wanted to maintain control and stay as the primary Internet portal for mobile users. Banking, messaging, gaming and productivity all passes through them.
We chat has similar in China but only because competitors were stifled. It won’t work in the west as competition for any aspect will be better for some people and anticompetitive behavior will be clamped down on even if it started to work.
isn’t weChat an app on android?
how does this comparison work?
It’s not the same. It’s Elon thinking it can be with an app, but it can’t. It’s google realising over 10 years ago that to have that level of control in the western markets, you need to have an entire platform, not an app. Elon can’t even get Twitter to do one thing well, let alone all the things.
Maybe not messaging 😂
You mean all the messaging?
Ah yes, just take a photo of your id. Surely X can be trusted, right… right guys?
Sure it can. Just wait 'til it also becomes your banking app, keeping your money totally safe, then you’ll be able to double trust it. Would space karen x ever lie to anyone? /s
Of course she wouldn’t lie to anyone. Just wait 'til your totally safely kept money becomes programmable by central banks, regulating where you can spend it, when you can spend it, what you can spend it on, and builds a neat profile of yourself linking every single activity you do, online and offline. We wouldn’t want any terrorists or bad citizens to be out there now, would we? /s
If they ever have a data breach I’m sure they’ll totally do right by the consumer also 🙄
Wouldn’t trust this clown with my digital words, let alone a copy of my actual ID
I’m sure they would offer 6 months of free credit screening as a consolation like all the other companies do. Just enter your social security number so they know what to look out for.
There is absolutely 0 chance I’m sending any documents to the clown in chief
Don’t worry… they are probably going to a “trusted” 3rd party service ;-)
can i just draw an ID in crayon and send in a selfie of me wearing my sick shades and an N95 mask?
The chief twit.
can i just draw an ID in crayon and send in a selfie of me wearing my sick shades and an N95 mask?
But what about Elon?
it won’t be mandatory, unfortunately. Would’ve loved to see another fediverse mass migration
The eternal september moment for the fediverse is very much coming
What makes you think we’re not already there?
Once prominent celebrities and more news agencies start to come (and they will, the BBC is a sign of that) the culture will shift faster than you really realize. There is still an insular culture around the fediverse that tends to be a big barrier around entry for “normies” right now. Going on a mastodon instance as a new user with limited technical knowledge can be quite jarring especially if you step out of line of what it seen as culturally fitting for the fediverse
It’s very much a nerd/geek environment at the moment. There isn’t much for normies to look at…yet.
God, imagine the reaction when it’s Facebook refugees coming and not Redditors
BBC R&D is a special case… they’re specifically there to try out new stuff. It isn’t always reflected in the rest of the company. They implemented ipv6 years ago for example, but the main bbc website remains ipv4 only.
The Big Black Cock is a sign of all that? 🤔
interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
So Green Day want us to wake them up when Usenet is no longer experiencing an influx of new users? 🤨
the ongoing July
Lemmy isn’t the only fediverse platform, Mastodon is growing rapidly as well
Fuck. I was hoping Elon had a meltdown and made it mandatory.
Not that Elon having some of your more pedigree info could possibly ever go wrong!
Yeah, it’s only for people stupid enough to pay for Twitter.
Yeah I don’t know who they ask to do this but I’ve been on Twitter since 2014 and they’ve never shown me this and if they mandated it I’d leave even though they already have my phone number and know who I’m.
Online banks use this method. I am not happy with this either. It’s government-regulated, so OK (sort of).
A social media site? No, thank you.
Banks are usually bound by KYC (know your customer) laws and are required to verify your identity. Imagine trusting some random third-party company with your photo ID though… Insane.
actually, two companies.
you give up your id forever to an id verification company + twitter stores it for 30 daysWell it’s obvious that Musk wants X to be a bank, so this isn’t unexpected.
Banks have significantly stronger security and PII measures than X ever will, as well.
yeah, that’s obvious. you need a photo of your id in order to open a bank account…
they usually process the data on their own though without using third partiesMy bank has NEVER asked my for my photo ID online. And rarely in person at a branch.
I mean if you want your identity to be stolen, theres other equally fast ways
Exciting times for hackers !
Not only would you lose your SSN as an american citizen, you would also lose your credit score due to automated identity theft and possibly your mortgage (and more!)
Nobody noticed “Be prepared to take a sefie” !?
I can guarantee that this was pushed out the door without any actual forethought or planning. Because Elon probably decreed that it had to be done now, so the devs were forced to push to prod without any actual testing ahead of time.
Camera must be uncovered.
not my frist language, what’s wrong with it?
Just a typo, should be “selfie”. Indicates poor quality control.
Bahaha nice catch.
Hahahahaha no.
Besides, what makes them think I even have a government ID? I don’t drive and I’d only need a passport if I had to leave the country.
Looooooooots of people don’t have ID.
In america maybe. In lots of other countries every adult has an ID
In the US, you need an ID if you want an actual job or bank account. Apart from living on the streets or living in the woods, I’m not sure how you could function without one.
you only need it if you’re buying alcohol or driving a car. your work gets your social but isnt entitled to your ID, which you don’t have to have or carry if you do have it. You can’t even get a bank account without a contract cellphone, so people without ID use prepaid credit cards you buy at the store and load with cash.
Walmart used to have a ton of options for working class people that didn’t have banking options. Not sure if it’s still the case. Many US workers were full-time employed and housed and did not have a bank account. Check cashing was through Walmart.
Wallmart won’t cash my checks, they also won’t tell me why they won’t cash my checks. I’ve never had any issues with them, so it’s a mystery. Not that I need that anymore but it’s not a system anyone should have to rely on.
How do you fill out an I-9 for employment without any ID?
With a pen, usually.
Land of the free… so long as you have ID
Well, it’s not like you can actually take someone’s word on who they actually are. People lie.
Looooooooots of people don’t have ID.
In the civilized world, this is pretty endemic to your country and is actually a problem there as I understand.
Personally, where I live, I couldn’t even vote or reliably buy alcohol if I didn’t have some form of ID to prove my identity or age (okay, I haven’t been carded in years, but it COULD happen). This is OK because everyone is mandated to have ID anyway (and it’s not in any way difficult to get one), so requiring ID for voting, for an example, doesn’t discriminate against poor people like in the US.
That said, X still wouldn’t get my ID. I haven’t even given it to Google, despite them asking me for it so I could watch music videos with a lil bit of swearing or something (Funny thing being, my YouTube account is about old enough that in a year or 2 it can go buy beer here in the EU)
ID is expensive and many poor folk don’t have them, so the “problem” is politically powerful groups implementing ID laws to prevent poor folk from voting. If I didn’t have to have a license, I’d never carry an ID.
Why would an ID be expensive?
In Belgium it costs about 20€ to get one when you first turn 12. And 20€ if you ever lose it.
When people in the US talk about a classist system, it’s more of the structure than the cost. There are state IDs that are inexpensive in most states, but the Motor Vehicles branch (or whatever the state calls their department) that issues the ID are frequently difficult to travel to in lower income areas. Occasionally, the branches are understaffed and information about what can be used as proof of ID isn’t communicated clearly. Combine this with the US’s poor labor laws, and it means that it’s risky for someone to take off work, spend significant time getting to a DMV branch, waiting in line a long time because of understaffing, then be told they need more proof of ID and to do it all over again.
It’s frustrating for me and I have a driver’s license and a white-collar job so I can drive myself to the DMV easily and not worry about losing my job or losing a half-day’s pay.
It’s still kind of messy also because proof of birth by birth certificate wasn’t required until relatively recently. My grandad was never issued a birth certificate. As far as the government is concerned, he didn’t exist until he joined the army. We all have to take his word on when he was born and his name. He told it to the army and had no legal proof before then. So my state establishes identification without using birth certificates, which takes more paperwork and complications.
Additionally, they’re pretty much only open during working hours, and they’re set up to often be an hour+ wait because why staff more than 2 people? It’s a monopoly on a service.
So the ID may only cost $20 but the travel + missed work adds up fast
sometimes I suspect that the DMVs job is to tell people to fuck off until they give up and stop trying. It’s a pretty effective form of voter suppression. You hit the nail on the head, I dont think I could have explained it better. Everything you said is particularly true in southern states where it disproportionately affects black people, they have the poorest infrastructure, no viable public transport, laws forbidding mail in voting and very limited polling places with that are open for very truncated operating hours.
They want two things to happen: ID to be expensive and Voter ID to be mandatory. Nobody wants the poors to vote, especially because statistically people of colour are more likely to be poor.
Do you not have a job or bank account?
Driver’s licences don’t count?
They said they don’t drive
Oh, a DL absolutely counts.
If all the ignorant masses don’t wake up to this WEF fuckery and it becomes “normalized” to need this for everything, then you’ll need it to receive your basic universal payment in centralized digital currency. You’ll also need it to incorporate your global “green score” which is like a type of social credit. Once cash is gone and decentralized crypto is illegal to own, most people will comply so they don’t starve. A 100% identifiable human 100% tracked and controlled. Fail to comply to something and your identity gets switched off. Nothing works for you now. This is not fiction. Just pay attention to the agenda of WEF. And if you think this can’t or won’t happen then please explain how the fuck Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, LinkedIn still exist? Every person who is faced with this request for government issued ID for anything that isn’t government should refuse and leave. Trusting these incompetent and abusive corporations with even more private information is illogical. They can’t keep anything safe now. Giving them more won’t “save you from the hackers”. That is a disingenuous deception to double down on control. They care nothing for your privacy, safety or well being. “We had a data breach and your personal information has been compromised. It includes your name, email, phone number, address and government issued ID with face scan. Oops, sorry”.
Everyone needs to say “NO” to this now!Great copypasta, thanks
Asimov would be proud of the world you’ve built in your mind here LoL.
Unlike the writing of Asimov, this is not a work of fiction. Do some digging for yourself and you’ll see that World Economic Forum has plans for you and I. Many have indeed been introduced. Many governments are following the agenda and have been for decades. Your answer is why I’m pessimistic and know we’re fucked. Klaus Schwab wants to be your feudal overlord. He knows what’s best for you. It sounds like you’re ready to trust him.
I’ve dug deep, and what I’ve found just reinforces that positions like the one you’ve put forward are completely fabricated and only really accepted by uneducated, ignorant, socially displaced losers who want to feel like they know something everyone else doesn’t.
Tldr; you gotta be a special sort of retarded to believe any of the bullshit you’re claiming to be true.
So how does this work for non-US users who’re from countries with different laws and ID types. This sounds like it might break EU and UK laws respectively on the storage and uploading front.
“By using this site, you waive your right to local EU and UK laws”
It doesn’t work like that, but I bet Elon will try.
Besides some countries in the EU already have electronic ID identifiers. They can just contact them to verify I’m claiming who I am without this weird “yeah we need a picture of you, and look through your webcam”. Banks don’t need to do this to verify who I am, so I don’t see why “X” needs this weird privacy invading process
Thankfully I don’t care about X (lol), and with more and more of my industry moving to mastodon I’m quite happy that I need it less and less to keep up with papers and articles
Elon wants this so he can make teslas self driving hit specific people using face recognition
Almost like 98% of their engineers are gone.
GDPR would definitely prohibit transferring the ID data to third parties outside the EU. They could replace this mechanism with European ID verification services (via eID or video verification). But I can’t imagine many people would go through that hassle, just to keep using Twitter/X. Then again, this Elon man is a literal fountain of terrible ideas, so who knows at this point.
In EU there are ways to verify yourself online, for instance if you want to get a credit card, etc. This is normally handled by a third-party, which more or less just checks per webcam if the info they got from the other company is the same as what you show them. I don’t see any privacy issues here, that I wouldn’t have seen in processes of other companies, that already do something like this.
This isn’t something new and I would guess that this is the case with most modern countries.
Its more a case they company they use is in the USA tbh.
Well facebook already asks you to verify with ID in Europe, has been doing that for years
I’ve never had to verify my ID on facebook. I live in the UK.
