Google 1970s Iran vs now. It’s an interesting contrast of how quickly societies can change; and some would argue, not towards the future but backwards.
Google 1970s Iran vs now. It’s an interesting contrast of how quickly societies can change; and some would argue, not towards the future but backwards.
It’s funny that people in the West are completely unaware of how this happened…
Evil muslims that hate freedom, obviously!
Wuzzat? The previous Iranian government was a corrupt monarchy set up by USA-UK because of oil? Nonsense! When the did the USA and UK ever orchestrate a coup to set up a friendly government for their own profit? That’s totally NOT something they did back in 1953, no sir!
/s
It’s almost like imperialism and colonialism are the major sources for why countries have failed.
It worked great for Rome for a long time, but yeah.
Which is funny because Anti colonialists have an entire wiki describing that they “critically support” modern Iran
Big “I didn’t actually read the article I linked” energy in this comment.
Wasn’t there a video years ago where an young Iranian women schooled reporters when they hit her with this propaganda? This was the period far more intense political repression and violence against the public than the Islamic Republic. You could be beaten in public for wearing the hijab at this time.
So a beating in public is worse than a beating in public, going to jail, or being killed? Sure is a good thing that hasn’t happened since the Islamic Republic took over, amiright?
Shah’s secret police wasn’t too nice. They are both worse.
Yeah, I’m not defending either group, just pointing out that the group the other poster was defending had the same things happen or worse.
You would absolutely get brutally tortured and killed for far less under the shah’s rule. What absolute historical ignorance. You’re like a Cuban pining for the days of Bautista.
You didn’t say it was better now, you said this didn’t happen since the Islamic Republic, like there weren’tYou did say it was better than when the Western-installed government was there, but you are talking like having literal morality police and the Arab Spring (and the government response) never happened. I may not be as aware of the complete history of a country half a world away from me as I should be, but I haven’t forgotten world news from 2 years ago, either.When did I ever say I don’t have criticisms of Iran? I just see no time wasting my breath on them when my country is constantly threatening war with Iran. If you want to help Iranian progressives then actually learn about Iranian history and what they actually want from western progressives. I’ll give you a hint: its not “fetishize nostalgia for the shah” like this post. It’s usually, “for the love of god please lift the sanctions”.
I’m a bit East of Iran and also clueless…
In the 1950s, the democratic government of Iran almost succeeded in driving out the monarchy for good. The US and the UK secretly sponsored a coup (‘Operation Ajax’) taking advantage of said government’s instability over an oil/nationalization dispute. The UK wanted to keep their colonial-era concessions, and Iran, understandably, rather prefered they didn’t.
In the late 1970s, there was a revolution which DID drive out the monarchy, but was hijacked by religious extremists.
No access to travelling band instruments salesmen?
That’s an odd way to spell “intentionally miseducated”, but it tracks.
And yet Tankies still “critically support” modern Iran
Edit: Lmao, Tankies dont like it when you provide documented (by their own side) proof that they’re in love with fascist governments
Do you even know what critical support means?
My point is look at the list of highlighted allies, and if your set of values is similar to theirs, maybe rethink whether or not you are an ally of lgbtq people or even treating people with decency. If you guys critically support Russia and Iran, maybe we critically support the West?
There is a section above that lists nations that they support and a section below that they critically support. The ones above are the ones who’s values they align with. The ones below are “enemies of my enemies”. That is what critical support means.
Take a good hard look at the middle east and its recent history and tell me that Iran is the problem. Look at Israel, the Saudi Kingdom and the Islamic republic seriously:
And back to you, who in that critically support category is currently freaking their neighbors out the most because they’ve made it clear they want to reclaim their old glory and old country (aka imperial) borders? As well as openly assasinates citizens of other countries IN said countries? And sure, lets go a step above where it says you fully align with their values, China’s track record with LGBTQ rights, while not the worst comparitably, isn’t particularly great, and when it comes to how they treat minorities the Uyghur people would like a word and so would the falun gong.
At least with Republicans in the US, they are open about hating gay people and minorities, yet the Prole Wiki pretends like it gives a shit.
Are you referring to Russia? Because Putin’s never said “hey let’s re-conquest the old Russian Empire”, he’s actually been pretty consistent at saying “hey I don’t want NATO touching my border”.
You seem to have a very distorted view of reality, which is frankly a result of all of the propaganda you have consumed and adopted uncritically into your worldview. The Uyghurs are healthier and wealthier now than they have ever been as a result of Chinese anti-poverty and modernization programs, and the Falun Gong were always a cult on the level of Scientology who needed to be broken up and their members deprogrammed before they convinced more innocent people to kill themselves in acts of protest against teaching science in schools.
Holy fucking shit, this is literally days after the invasion, and numerous other imperialist statements have been issued since.
So Putin has been pretty consistent, just in saying “hey let’s re-conquest the old Russian Empire”
This is your only warning. Uyghur Genocide denial is not welcome here.
I see you didn’t answer my question and are now pivoting to Russia and China when the subject of the thread is Iran. But I’ll take the time to point out the inconsistencies here:
Uyghur genocide denial is not welcome here. This is your only warning.
Is Palestinian Genocide denial also not welcome here?
National liberation is a prerequisite for socialist liberation. Marx correctly observed this back in his own day, and directed socialists to support struggles against the British Empire even if the leaders of those struggles weren’t socialist. Nowadays we support national liberation from the American Empire for much the same reasons, even if those revolutions and their leaders aren’t perfect.
Those revolutions and their leaders are the exact opposite of who I want or am willing to give power to, and if you think they are the path forward to a better future you are a dangerous fool
If you think that shackling the entire world to the American Empire is the path forward to a better future, then you are just a regular fool.
Probably some shit that happened before I was born that makes me more responsible than the people that are actually beating women to death right now?
At a certain point maybe we should consider that Iranian assholes to shitty things to people in their country are responsible for their own actions? I mean there’s only so far you can take the “White Man’s Burden” narrative isn’t there?