Republican men seem massively troubled about their masculinity — and that’s literally causing death and suffering

  • Cethin@lemmy.zip
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    1 year ago

    People aren’t silent about men successfully committing suicide at a higher rate to women. You hear about it all the time. However, it isn’t an issue about men being overlooked, like you imply. Women attempt suicide at a higher rate. Why didn’t you discuss that? Is it being ignored?

    The fact of the matter is suicide by firearm is the worst offender. Attempted suicide needs to be prevented for everyone equally, but firearm ownership should be more restricted, and there should also be tools out there to get your firearms away from you temporarily if you’re feeling suicidal or depressed. Men are more likely to own firearms, which is the issue that needs addressing to fix the disparity, not men being ignored.

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      1 year ago

      Then any old asshole could just lie and say their neighbor or family member or spouse is suicidal, and disarm them. Abusers absolutely will exploit that to subjugate their victims.

      And it’s not really moral to say those men shouldn’t be allowed to kill themselves if they want anyway. Do people have self-ownership or not? Yes or no?

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        1 year ago

        Others could be injured in a firearm suicide, and someone still has to clean up the mess. Self-euthanasia is it’s own topic, but I think most could agree that the solution to assisted suicide isn’t allowing unstable people to own firearms.

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        It comes down whether you find that having a gun is a fundamental right or something. I just don’t think it is. Yes, it’s a perfectly acceptable cost for a random acquaintance to make a fake complaint and get my gun taken. It would be only a mild inconvenience to have my gun taken away even permanently. I do like going to the range and shooting, it’s a fun sport for sure, but it’s not my identity.

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        Yes we have self ownership but i would also want my family and friends to stop me if i got irrational for a moment and tried to burn down my house. I do believe we should have a right to euthanasia but if im not terminally ill i absolutely want my family to stop my from committing suicide in a moment of desperation.

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      1 year ago

      Real question here. I don’t know how the number of attempts is calculated. If a single person attempts unsuccessfully 3 times, then is that recorded as 3 separate attempts? Or is this recording the number of unique people who have attempted suicide any number of times?

      If it’s the former then it may be an indicator that women prefer methods of suicide that are less likely to succeed, but it is much harder to tell how many individual women actually attempt suicide compared to men.

      Also, if a person is suffering enough that they’re seriously contemplating suicide, is taking that option away from them really the right thing to do? There’s also the issue of any such system being abused. It’s easy to imagine law enforcement using this as a way to disarm groups and individuals for political reasons.