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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_MMR_autism_fraud in case anyone isn’t familiar with the study you’re talking about. Imagine being wrong so hard that you lose your license to practice medicine but keep up the act for decades afterward. Wakefield is such a piece of shit.
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Figured the fraud mentioned in the wiki article covered the “dishonest” part and “wrong” was easier to prove. I can’t rule out the possibility that he’s in so deep that he really believes what he’s saying (not that it’d make the situation any better).
Sucks to hear that you’ve had bad reactions in the past but I’m glad it didn’t turn you against them as a whole. Hopefully enough of the rest of us can get them and lower the overall risk of illness when flu season rolls around.
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Yeah I don’t believe you
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The anti vaxxer who claims to have gone through medical school though, everyone is gathering to hear what stupid bullshit they lie about
I’m actually the same way, I’m one of those that got myocarditis after the vaccine, but I also understand that nothing is side affect free so while it stinks for me I still 100% support the use of vaccines… Thankfully after a few weeks/months the heart palpitations stopped.
I mean … Polio anyone? No? Chickenpox? Oh yeah that’s right, vaccines. They actually worked.
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Chickenpox. Ahem. We didn’t have a vaccine for that when I was a child. We just caught it and were miserable for a few weeks.
I’m sorry to tell you that’s not what happened.
You had chickenpox for a few weeks whilst the shingles bedded down nice and cosy in your nerves ready to strike again when your immune system is down. It’s not over and it’ll be worse when it comes back.
IIRC, he wasn’t even anti vax at the start. He was being paid to peddle separate vaccines and claimed it was just the MMR jab that could cause autism.
Which is still bollocks anyway, but people will do anything to deny that autism runs in their family…
He wasn’t just paid to peddle the separate vaccines. He owned the company that made them.
And if only, it was just him in the autism field. SBC isn’t better than him on the piece of shit scale.
There’s a whole industry of quacks exploiting families desperate for answers and solutions when they feel out of their depth with a child they don’t fully understand. Makes me sick.
I love when people claim to not trust the science of vaccines. Vaccines created using the same scientific method that allowed the invention of the smart phones they’re typing from. The same science that allows for all modern medicine, energy production, manuacturing, etc.
most cookers don’t understand what the scientific method is. my brother thinks it’s like some list of formulas scientists use to see if something is true or not, not the entire actual process around theory/observation/evidence/peer review. they thibk “science” indoctrinates people to think a certain way and that scientists somehow are told to ignore everything not in a textbook. no explaining how wrong this is in over 3 years has helped
Damn, fingers in the ears, huh? Good on you for trying it must be exhausting. Some people refuse to consider that they could have been wrong about something fundamental, which is more ironic because the scientific method is all about considering if you might be wrong.
I mean, the scientific method produces mistakes - it’s just that the scientific method is also intended to fix those mistakes over time. Being critical of research is helpful for the correct functioning of the scientific method, but this has nothing to do with conspiracy theorists who will question the overwhelmingly corroborated general principles that determine the functioning of AC or light bulbs.
I think you’re missing that she is a pediatrician and not just a “doctor.” Pediatricians administer a big majority of vaccines and care for the patients receiving them. They probably do learn a hell of a lot more about them than, say, an oncologist who spends all their time treating cancer in old people. And they see the effects of them up close in the field. Any doctor is constantly researching and staying up to date. A pediatrician worth their salt is very well educated on all relevant studies even if they didn’t conduct those studies with their own two hands. I reject the notion that you need to conduct the studies to know the science: that’s a ludicrous bar for us to set.
In even more fairness, reading memes on Facebook makes you even less of an expert on vaccines.
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Nowhere did the woman in the image claim to be an “expert,” though, so why bring it up? Everyone giving advice about something doesn’t have to be an expert.
They’re trying to cast doubt. Doesn’t need to make sense, just needs to increase turmoil in the world.
Perhaps agree she’s not an “expert” but she’s certainly “educated”
You can get into a research career as an MD too. It’s not strictly clinical practice.
We’re all encouraged to publish papers.
In all fairness downplaying medical school makes you ignorant
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Med school is definitely not a trade school. The amount of material I learned per day in med school was about the same quantity as a week of college.
First of all, fuck you. Nowhere did anyone say she was an expert. Like let me just pick up this goal post and move it.
Second of all fuck you. You don’t need to be an expert know the experts opinion.
Did I mention, fuck you?
You ok?
Better now
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Anyone who tells you to “educate yourself” probably barely made it out of high school.
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Censoring a slur doesn’t really make it less of a slur.
First of all, you don’t need to censor yourself. Everyone knows what you wrote and the teacher isn’t going to get mad at you.
Second, censoring slurs is still a slur. Cut it out. You know better, hence the censor, but you chose to be an asshole anyway.
No I think it’s fair to use against people who SHOULD rightly be wiser than they are ever capable of demonstrating.
"I only use the n-word when the black person I’m saying it to deserves it. "
-you, probably
The only person who ever basically said that vaccines cause autism was Andrew Wakefield and he was a con artist who was trying to sell his special magic don’t give you autism vaccine, which turned out to be the same stuff as the “autism vaccine” or in some cases saline.
He had his medical licence revoked. He should have gone to prison.
Only morons believed him, and only morons continue to believe him.
Oh there have been plenty of others who also have said it, like Jenna Mccarthy
She’s just copying Wakefield, he was the first. Prior to him no one had really raised the possibility because it’s bloody stupid.
He just fed on parents desire to blame something on their child’s autism diagnosis. But sometimes things just happen.
I suspect they mean the only person with any kind of “scientific” presentation, and everything after that has been a game of telephone amongst the anti-vax crowd.
The echoes of those morons are why we have a potential measles epidemic on the horizon
Edit: holy shit this post was 5 months ago—not sure how I found myself here
Oh you really embarrassed yourself there. Fancy replying to such an old post, the height bad form.
I’ll make sure to give myself the requisite 5 weeks in the Badger pit
You’re missing a lot of information.
Such as?
Disgraced, former Doctor, Andrew Wakefield originally did the report that the MMR vaccine had numerous issues.
He would go on to say that it is better to get the vaccines separately.
It would later be found that he was making 10s of millions selling test kits.
The link between autism and the MMR vaccine wasn’t even direct. It was claimed that the MMR vaccine caused bowel inflammation, which then caused autism.
Real wackadoo science. Not sure how anyone believed it. We are seeing something similar with the aluminum causes cancer and dementia crowd.
Ok, just so you know, you’re original comment came across as defending Wakefield. That’s why you’re getting downvoted.
False information. Specially the kind the other person wants to believe in.
“Educate yourself” means to look up a few random Facebook posts that agree with your viewpoint and tell others that they are stupid for being brainwashed sheeple.
“Do your own research” and don’t vet the sources
“Not gonna vaccinate my kids, but I’ll be sure to smoke and drink plenty of alcohol while pregnant.” - These people
No it’s cool, they’ll just vape alcohol while they’re pregnant, it’ll be fine.
Oh, to have the unearned confidence of the mediocre idiot telling the doctor to get educated
IMO, it’s a bit like telling a fish to learn to swim.
NO I MEAN FUNNEL DOWN THE ABSOLUTE FIREHOSE OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES SOCIAL MEDIA FORCED DOWN MY THROAT!!!
Seriously. Does this woman even know how to Educate™? She obviously hasn’t listened to Joe Rogan or that troll that crawled out from under a rotten whale carcass to talk about Nibiru Aliens injecting Autism directly into COVID vaccines… Like how can she even call herself a doctor if she doesn’t even know about adrenochrome!? Christ, Jamie pull that video up!
I’ll bet she does that weirdo commie science where they DON’T start with their conclusion, only collect evidence that supports their gut feelings, and then disregards everything else! Everybody knows the best hypotheses are unfalsifiable!
Autism causes vaccines.
Vaccines cause… kids to grow up and become adults. Autism? It means I have limited social energy and I’m so good at seeing patterns I keep getting told they aren’t there and I need to be reasonable🤣
I did not say vaccines cause autism.
I did not say vaccines cause autism.
Didn’t say you did. Sorry if it felt like that
Yes, vaccines cause adults… I’m not a big fan of a lot of those kinds of people, especially when they’re stupid enough to contradict scientists and doctors, telling them shit like “vaccines cause autism” and “the earth is flat”.
Those are my least favorite kind of person.
The Earth is flat people are like entry level 1 conspiracy theorist. They believe in a stupid conspiracy that is easily disproven but ultimately they are harmless.
The vaccines cause autism people on the other hand should be rounded up and arrested for child neglect.
I can definitely see someone on the spectrum being obsessed with biology and solving diseases. If anyone is going be an expert at one specific thing, it’s someone with autism.
Reread the comment you replied to.
Fair enough lol read it to quick. And let’s face it, the internet be like that sometimes.
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X/Twitter post by user Nicole Baldwin, MD, FAAP @NicoleB_MD reading: Tried my hand at #Tiktok - this one struck a nerve. #VaccinateYourKids #VaccinesWork #somedocs Attached is a screenshot from a Tiktok video showing a woman with a stethoscope around her neck, leaning slightly forward and pointing at on-screen text reading: Vaccines DON’T CAUSE AUTISM A user with their username redacted has replied to the post with the text: Educate yourself woman Below that is a reply from Dr Nicole Baldwin to the unknown user reading: I did. Thanks. 4 years of college. 4 years of medical school. 3 years of pediatric residency. 13 years of clinical practice. 👌
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Hold up. Whenever I see this stuff the disclaimer at the end is almost always “I’m a bot…” Yadda yadda yadda…
I just noticed that’s NOT what it says. So… Umm… Hi.
But how many years of youtube study? How long has she been writing papers for anonymous society? I think all her medical practice and education shows how really uneducated she is.
I wonder what that dummy thought “MD” stood for. Mommy Daddy?
Dummy isn’t literate. “MD” are just squiggles to him.
Like it’s a video game and they have yet to unlock it
drools.
Oh yeah? Well, how many Youtube videos has this elitist “scientist” published? How many suppliment pills has she sold online? Why should I trust her?
I just find it funny they blanked out his name, but not the replied to.
You been put on blast ————. Hah.
Edit: I don’t see the issue with naming them as he posted it in a public forum, but I shall also redact.
That’s my bad! Sorry (not that sorry) Eddy. I’ll edit the photo so it doesn’t break lemmy’s rules though.
She’s in her 40s? I need to start using moisturizer.
Just use a little JPEG to get rid of details that give up your age.
I went through 3 years of her Twitter posts to answer a question someone had. She’s 45 now and ridiculous young looking even in clearer photos. She’s got a 24 y/o son who legit looks older.
So… she’s a witch who uses vaccines to absorb the youth of the children
!/s!<
I’ve seen an old dude look like a young gal by using makeup
It is easy looking like her. No alcohol, no smoking, regular exercise and have good genes 👍
I usually just buy Levi’s. Are those still considered good?
I started at a point of “vaccines obviously don’t cause autism, that’s absurd.”
I transitioned through “even if they did, there’s nothing wrong with being autistic”
These days I’m at “autistic people are way better than NT people and I wish vaccines caused autism”
No. I’ve come to terms with who I am and even like some aspects of it that I would miss so I wouldn’t give it up if I had the choice, but it’s a disability for me, has been a very hard struggle, and I don’t even have it as severe as some. I wouldn’t wish this on more people. (Unless it was 100% of people because most of the struggles I have with the tism come from trying to live in a world designed by NTs that probably wouldn’t exist in a world where everyone had tism)
Oh, I getchu. I would say a huge component of the disability, probably almost all of it, is because of the ways society is structured to punish anyone who isn’t a NT majority-demographic person. (Which means it literally would be better if it was 100%).
That is precisely the issue. The world runs on NT worldviews. Try making someone with autism give a fuck about money (unless that’s their special interest). You can’t. And since this world is run on obsession with money, NT people win and ND people get fucked
Autism is a wide spectrum involving people with different life experiences. It’s ok for you to say that you personally don’t like being autistic, but do not use that to throw dirt on the people who are doing fine despite social discrimination.
Unless it was 100% of people because most of the struggles I have with the tism come from trying to live in a world designed by NTs that probably wouldn’t exist in a world where everyone had tism
…And this adds even more to my point. This sounds to me like the message of someone who isn’t suffering so much due to their innate characteristics as they have due to being discriminated. If you’re at that point, the logical position isn’t “I wish to be normal”, but “I wish society wasn’t so full of assholes and was more tolerant”.
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I was thinking you might have autism from your post, because this is the type of thinking I experience. I have autism and miscommunications and anger would come from seemingly nowhere.
Your post is absolutely correct and makes perfect sense to me.
I am thinking that you might be getting downvoted because the problem seems to be an emotional subtext that isn’t immediately obvious. They are expressing their feelings, and a neurotypical person would probably see your response as dismissive because you are telling them what they should feel instead.
I am thinking they expect you to identify yourself as having autism, and without that frame of reference a neurotypical person might jump to conclusions that you aren’t?
Correct me if I am wrong anyone. I have to logically work through these kinds of things so I find these kinds of posts and discussions helpful.
The most difficult part of having autism for me is the need to analyze everything to try and figure out why people are acting the way they are. It’s like talking straightforwardly but people are always looking for a hidden meaning behind what you actually say that just isn’t there.
The most difficult part of having autism for me is the need to analyze everything to try and figure out why people are acting the way they are.
No issues here, that attitude helps to solve misunderstandings.
I was thinking you might have autism from your post
Correct, I said so somewhere else.
They are expressing their feelings, and a neurotypical person would probably see your response as dismissive because you are telling them what they should feel instead.
I don’t want to invalidate anyone’s feelings, but everyone might have misdirected feelings sometimes. For instance, it is common among victims of abuse to hate themselves rather than the perpetrators of the abuse. If someone has an inherently debilitating condition, it’s perfectly natural for them to hate that condition. If someone has a condition that is, for the most part, neutral, but suffers social discrimination because of it, and places the origin of their pain in their condition, rather than in the discrimination, that is similar to an ethnic minority who suffers from racism growing into hating the fact that they’re an ethnic minority. If someone literally says “most of the struggles I have with the tism come from trying to live in a world designed by NTs”, that pretty much sounds like they do fit what I’m saying. Because autism is a wide spectrum, I’m aware that some people in it do actually have innate difficulties due to being on the spectrum that wouldn’t have emerged in a perfect environment, and if you read my original comment, you’ll see that I’m speaking in terms of possibilities and conditionals. But there is also a lot of autistic people who shouldn’t unload their loathing into being autistic, but into the fact that suffering discrimination through their whole lives has made them accrue so much trauma that they’ve developed a different debilitating condition.
I am thinking that you might be getting downvoted because the problem seems to be an emotional subtext that isn’t immediately obvious.
That’s the case for at least some of the downvotes. There is also at least one user who was defending the narrative that every person on the spectrum should hate the condition.
I am thinking they expect you to identify yourself as having autism, and without that frame of reference a neurotypical person might jump to conclusions that you aren’t?
Do you mean this in the sense that I didn’t initially mention I’m autistic, or in the sense of the dichotomy “being autistic vs having autism”? If it’s the former, that’s on their part for jumping into conclusions. If it’s the latter, they should read into it and accept the reasons that lead some people to prefer one kind of language over the other.
I appreciate your interest into having a clear understanding of the discussion. Have a good day.
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Have you actually warned and removed the comment that said “no one likes being autistic” as well?
If you see a comment that breaks the rules, please report it and include which rule you believe it violated in the “reason” box. Don’t argue/reply to comments that break the rules, just ignore them or block the user after you’ve reported it.
Nobody likes being autistic for fuck sakes. It’s like saying don’t kick dirt on people who say they’re happy they lost their legs in an accident because their wheelchair is handier.
The idea that people with autism is some kind of trade-off with benefits is a Rain Man fallacy. Whatever weird quirks come with it that are endearing, a thousand awful things make it hard to live with.
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Me and my girlfriend are both autistic and we would never wish this on anyone. Our child will most likely be autistic, and while we’re more than fine with that, we’d love if the kid didn’t have to go through the same shit as us
Make no mistake, I love who I am, but being ND is a disability and struggle for the rest of your life
This comment stinks of someone without a disability having wishful thinking.
Yes, it’s true my daughter is the sweetest, most loving, perfect child on the planet. But she also didn’t get potty trained until age 6. She will never be able to drive. She’s only going to be able to hold the most basic jobs. She’ll likely never be able to live independently.
There is definitely nothing wrong with autism and she is easily way better than any other person I’ve ever met. But she also faces some real challenges in life, and I don’t wish that everyone in the world had that.
Thank you for pointing this out, many people are not aware of what real autism is like, and associate mild adhd or just distraction as a result of to much internet as autism.
If you said that NT were way better, you’d be called an asshole and bigot. How’s the reverse any different?
Yeahhh I can appreciate the well meant sentiment he was going for but he circled all the way back to being prejudiced lol
Because neurotypical people are in the majority, are not marginalized, and have all the power in the relationship between the two groups.
Why is it so hard for bigots to understand that society creates a context.
How is an ant stepping on an elephant any different than an elephant stepping on an ant?
You know this analogy is bullshit. Saying “type x of people are better” will always be the wrong thing to say
Autism is literally a disability. A disability is literally a disadvantage. In that sense, NT people have a decided advantage over NDs.
Are they “better”? Well, no. But the world is made for NDs.
If you’re like that, everyone will start thinking you are some kind of extremist.
