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      I met few Polish fascists and I struggle to understand what happened in their lives that pushed them to follow that path.

      I asked one of them, who claimed to be a “classical fascicst”: “What was wrong with Hitler?” He said: “People say he killed too many people or something.” I asked him: “What is communism?” He could not even answer the question. Like, zero understanding of politics. A case of total brainworms. Heavily addicted to drugs, very sad person. The other one just talked total nonsense, about how communists want to count other people’s money, sniff coke in gulags and make races mix with each others. It was borderline terrifying to listen to him, total insanity.

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        Neofascism is closely correlated with having a petty bourgeois or (former) military background. The petite‐bourgeoisie is frequently in competition with ‘foreign’ businessowners, and Western military culture is notoriously toxic, so the transition to neofascism is the easiest to understand in those cases. If the neofascist is lower‐class, it is possible that pseudosocialist rhetoric won him over (made all the easier by anticommunist schooling, which has nothing meaningful to say about Fascism), or perhaps a neofascist clique befriended him. There are various possible reasons.

        who claimed to be a “classical fascicst”

        Which almost proves that he is clueless about politics. Classical fascism basically isn’t a thing anymore; the adventurer‐conqueror campaigns simply wouldn’t be practical in a world of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles, which could swiftly put an end to a state’s ambitious quest for more spazio vitale. Neofascists are instead likelier to promote neocolonialism, because that’s what’s ‘in’ right now.

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          Another obvious thing liberals and adjacent don’t understand is that political ideologies don’t exist in the void, they are created and modified by the living society and will change to reflect that society. I would think this fact is absolutely obvious to anyone who licked even a small bit of history, but it’s apparently arcane knowledge and you need to be a marxist to know it…

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            Well, the “classical fascist” had a lot of books about “history”, but he seemed to think that history is just battles and tanks - zero understanding of actual politics or economics. Very incoherent world view, but it’s hard to expect anything more from a person that spends most of their time drugged out of their mind and with myriad psychological problems. I knew that person for many years and I know that deep inside it is just a very troubled, suicidal individual with mental issues, but I gave up on him and don’t even feel sorry for him anymore. I tried to get him out and spent a lot of time trying to reason with him, but he’s most likely just too deep in that shit to get out now.

            Many if not most people are idealists and they just don’t understand dialectical materialism.

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        Jesus fucking Christ, I’m so happy I didn’t end up like this. Seeing people do so, it just brings tears to my eyes. If it wasn’t too late, they could’ve been saved from such a painful fate, and yet they’ve gotten worse.

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          Yes, this is a painful fate. I will quote my other response, so you can read it too:

          Well, the “classical fascist” had a lot of books about “history”, but he seemed to think that history is just battles and tanks - zero understanding of actual politics or economics. Very incoherent world view, but it’s hard to expect anything more from a person that spends most of their time drugged out of their mind and with myriad psychological problems. I knew that person for many years and I know that deep inside it is just a very troubled, suicidal individual with mental issues, but I gave up on him and don’t even feel sorry for him anymore. I tried to get him out and spent a lot of time trying to reason with him, but he’s most likely just too deep in that shit to get out now.

          Many if not most people are idealists and they just don’t understand dialectical materialism.

          Yesterday I talked to another friend about people who we know that live in poverty and descent into depression, alcoholism, drug addictions and lose their sanity with time. They could be saved, but the ruling classes just don’t give a fuck. It’s a literal crime.

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    “Thank you, Cumrag69, we, won’t forget your service and the dignity and respect that you brought to this movement. MAPfella1993, your work in the discord chats will forever be a testament to your dedication and determination for a free self-determining Ukraine. You changed the minds of so many young people and became so close and connected with them. And how could I forget you AdolfWuzRite88? Your spamming of Hindu symbols to Ruzzian Orkkk replies was pretty creative, it really showed them to be respectful to other cultures that they aren’t as familiar with.”

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    The only times I’ve ever seen or heard of NAFO is here on lemmygrad and ngl, it feels like you guys are doing a psyop on me >.>

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        Mark my words, the downfall of Twitter will propel humanity towards a new era of relative peace, prosperity, and progress

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      Here is a video from a known FBI informant arrested and convicted for human trafficking and released with a surprising lack of punishment, that now calls himself an anarchist, that supports NATO’s war in Russia, says about NAFO

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu3b1FsLDqo yewtu.be/watch?v=Mu3b1FsLDqo vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=Mu3b1FsLDqo https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=Mu3b1FsLDqo

      I’m pretty sure it is just on twitter and other people are talking about them.

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        What the fuck, how does this guy have a platform?

        CW: human trafficking

        Source

        Justin Eric King (Beau of the Fifth Column) was the head of the local operation of a multinational human trafficking & forced labor business called Eurohouse.

        His business found vulnerable young women in Eastern Europe and promised them seasonal work at a hotel in Florida for 6 months to 1 year. King forged visas for this purpose, telling the women that they would be working at one single hotel as a direct employee. They were charged $2000 for this. When they arrived, they instead found out that they would be working as contractors for King’s branch of Eurohouse at many different hotels. So King defrauded them, misleading them into believing they would work directly for one company, then rented them out as contractors for his own profit. In doing so, he made them complicit in immigration fraud, which is a serious federal crime. None of the victims had any idea that their visas were invalid.

        They were made to live in cramped apartments with 15-20 other workers, which they were also forced to pay rent for.

        The “they were undocumented refugees smuggled across the border” excuse is obviously bunk as they WERE documented and they each only stayed in the US for 6 months to 1 year. Every victim arrived with a return ticket that they fully intended to use. A key part of the operation’s success was the use of temporary workers, as they would choose to just go home rather than complain to the police.

        Victim testimony, along with other physical evidence entered into the record such as contracts and payslips, show that:

        • King was intimately involved in the operation. Not only did he defraud these women by lying to them about the nature of their visas & their work, but he was the one who was responsible for contracting them out to hotels and victims place him as their most intimate contact.

        • King imposed debts on them and then garnished payment from their wages. For example he charged one victim $1200 for a $200 visa renewal and then garnished $350 per week from her weekly pay of $600 (earned over 78 hours of work) to pay it back

        • King split up their payslips to avoid paying them overtime. He made one victim work for 80 hours in one week and told her it was normal to do this so she didn’t complain.

        • The operation was profitable specifically due to its ability to exploit forced labor, as they were able to contract workers out for less than minimum wage.

        • The victims were routinely threatened to keep them working & quiet. These threats were of physical violence and deportation.

        • King made millions off this operation and today still owns two of the properties that he bought with the money, worth a total of $1.5 million

        Sources:

        Florida University’s Centre for the Advancement of Human Rights report on the case based on the evidence put onto the record during it.

        Direct victim testimony which includes lots of physical evidence entered into the record.

        Blog post from 2013 which has lots of info on his crimes and who he is. It was written after activists in Florida became suspicious of him for inserting himself into their movements despite having no discernable history of activism.

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        Wow I liked it better when I didn’t know about NAFO 😕

        Reading through the comment section on that video is an experience. People really see themselves as righteous grassroots activists huh

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      I wish, Twitter is so full of that garbage. Not that I even really used Twitter in the first place. Now they even limit the number of posts you can view per day😂

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      Being racist is funny to them, that’s their level of humor. One day in Poland would make you realize that rather quickly, unfortunately.

      Also when I refer to racism I mean calling Russians orcs, asiatic hordes and comparing them to “soulless animals” in general. It’s truly disgusting what they get kicks out of.

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      I mean, I sorta get what they’re going for, but even if they were funny or intelligent (they’re definitely enthusiastic, Can’t deny that) not a single one of those things would make a difference as to how the outcome of this war turns out, especially the humor part lol. Mao famously said “political power grows out of the microphone of a comedian”

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          From Mao Zedong: “FOLLOW LIBERALISM”:

          We could name more. But these eleven are the principal types.

          They are all manifestations of liberalism. You need to follow them

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            Tankieism is extremely harmful to a brunch-going lefty friends group. It is a scary corrosive which eats away at your social status, destroys your twitter following, creates a desire for concrete action, and makes you love the people – like actually, not just on social media. Tankieism robs the liberal ranks of smug confidence (“no investigation, no right to speak”) and promotes strict discipline (really ableist, because some people need to play video games all day). It gets policies ACTUALLY CARRIED THROUGH (fascist cult of action) and alienates people from mainstream socdem and center-left parties. It is an extremely bad tendency.

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          What’s the deal with Democratic Centalism? I mean are you centralizing power or distributing it? Make up your minds people 🥁😂🤣 /s

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    Frankly one of the least convincing astroturf campaigns by far. Looked totally forced from the start (not to mention really cringe).

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    I genuinely am thinking more and more, how is it possible for someone to legitimately support Ukraine? Must they all be bots?

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      using win11 powertoys text extractor:

      Kaja Kailas
      @kajakallas
      Greetings to #NAFOfellas at the first-ever
      #NAFOSummit in Vilnius.
      is a living example of how to disarm
      #NAFO
      Russian disinformation with humour,
      intelligence and enthusiasm. Behind every Fella
      is a real person who believes in #Ukraine's
      victory.
      Thank you for your service.
      202K views
      
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    We have very different definitions of what constitutes “humour and intelligence” I see. They aren’t funny or clever, they’re mildly annoying.

    I really wish they didn’t co-opt my favourite dog breed for their shitty “movement”.

    EDIT: Also I don’t know if anyone saw the representatives that showed up at that summit, but…man. They couldn’t fit the stereotype any harder honestly.

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    NAFO is hilarious representation of how corporate western mentality works when it comes to such omnipresent and fundamental issues. As you may see this kind of language and presentation is so common when, it envelopes any phenomenon, language of experts, fact-checking, debunking and etc. Language of news outlets always trying to solve the puzzle of life for an “average” passenger of the current doctrine which motivates full-scale centralization of conscious around government’s approval of ideas.