Hello Users of Hexbear I wanted to have a featured post discussing the next
steps for federation. We have discussed this at length among the mod team, and
it is pretty much evenly split between federating based on a "block-list" or
federating based on an "allow-list". While the mod team slightly skewed in favor
of federating using a block-list, meaning that any instance not specifically
blocked will be able to link with hexbear.net, we will be starting with an
allow-list. What this means is that only instances specifically on our
allow-list will be able to link with us, there are a few reasons for this. We
wanted to slowly integrate into the fediverse to see what it would mean for
hexbear.net's culture as well as how we fit into the wider fediverse. We also
wanted to ensure that we did not link with any instance that does not block
threads, or does not block the reactionary/fash/pedo instances.
I was honestly suprised to discover that most lemmy instances block lemmygrad.ml
but do not block the reactionary/pedo instances, sad. Here is a tenative list of
what our allow-list would look like: https://pathofexile-discuss.com/instances ,
https://possumpat.io/instances , https://lemmy.ml/instances ,
https://sopuli.xyz/instances , https://discuss.tchncs.de/instances ,
https://lemmygrad.ml/instances , https://mander.xyz/ , https://lemm.ee/ ,
toots.matapocos.dog a block-list would be massive and exhaustive to ensure that
we do not federate with any pornographic, reactionary, fascist, racist,
homophobic, transphobic, or csam-adjacent instances. We will be creating a
pinned post in c/hexbear where additional instances can be nominated for
addition to the allow-list. https://www.hexbear.net/post/277506 Please see these
previous posts by Nagarjuna regarding federation:
https://www.hexbear.net/post/273407 and https://www.hexbear.net/post/273404 If
you would like to officially put down your opinion on federation, please make a
comment with a ⬛️ if you'd like to federate based on a block-list, a ⬜️ if you'd
like to federate based on an allow-list, or a 🚫 if you do not with to federate
at all. Thank you and as usual off-topic comments will be removed.
Hexbear is far more likely to have users entering and using our comms, being another large socialist instance, albeit dedicated to left unity rather than Marxism like ourselves. I think there is enough of a culture change that we need to have a pinned post for hexbear users coming here explaining what kind of content/attitudes they might see here/what different rules to follow
There should also be a section dedicated to explaining to lemmygrad users to respect hexbear comm rules and what to expect from their users etc.
I think this would help ease any potential cross site struggle sessions
And I think everyone would agree that a developed socialist society would support everyone to the point where no one feels economically compelled to engage in sex work. Hexbear recognizes that unde capitalism sex work is usually exploitative, similar to how most other work is exploitative.
To act as though sex work is work done by personal choice is to be ignorant of the way it is. And to act like it is not far worse than work overall (in working conditions for the most part) is also ridiculous. The working conditions are quite horrific and to argue for no controls at all on it would only benefit the criminals and cartels. Of course they are workers and they are exploited but it is absolutely necessary to defeat such behaviors as AES nations have taken steps to do so. I also find this behavior of thinking someone knows more about solving these issues and increasing the conditions of the working class members who are subjected to sex work than AES nations is ridiculous and chauvinistic. They can be workers and we can also accept that these workers are exploited and attacked viciously and in the end must be an evil that is removed from society. In the end, I try not to and I hope others try not to think they can solved these issues more effectively than AES states have. We must insure we learn from examples and not follow these “libertarian” policies of just “anything goes”. I hope this comment does not come off as rude but this is what my thoughts are on it.
Your comment didn’t come off as rude, and it looks like we agree on quite a bit. But honestly you’re responding to a lot of things I didn’t say – I didn’t suggest anything like an “anything goes” approach to sex work, and I pointed out how exploitative it usually is.
I also find this behavior of thinking someone knows more about solving these issues and increasing the conditions of the working class members who are subjected to sex work than AES nations is ridiculous and chauvinistic.
Ignoring AES states’ policies is chauvinistic, but treating them as infallible is dogmatic and unscientific. AES states themselves acknowledge their past shortcomings and seek improvements.
In the immediate context of trying to build socialism in a capitalist society, I think the best approach is to meet sex workers with tools that are immediately useful, like unions (which do exist for sex workers) and legal protections. Telling them that they are involved in evil and ideally their work wouldn’t exist doesn’t offer them anything within their grasp, and can come across as preachy.
I don’t want to attack the actual sex workers as they are forced into it. The people who I am absolutely fine with action being taken against (which is my problem when people argue for legalization) are the pimps and the johns.
I’ve seen someone (male) mentioning they were a virgin and lonely and several posters encouraged them to rent a woman with one mentioning having done so themselves in the past.
I looked for it and couldn’t find but did go down a rabbit hole on Hexbear and jeez, there is a lack of analysis on a lot of subjects (sex work and drugs being the main two)
Do they actually promote that? I would think blatant gender based oppression should obviously be wrong even to the most unprincipled of anachists.
Iirc, hexbear is largely pro sex industry, and decries the typical line here as “SWERF”.
Disgusting! That’s ridiculous to both promote that and call yourself pro-worker.
Are sex workers not workers?
And I think everyone would agree that a developed socialist society would support everyone to the point where no one feels economically compelled to engage in sex work. Hexbear recognizes that unde capitalism sex work is usually exploitative, similar to how most other work is exploitative.
To act as though sex work is work done by personal choice is to be ignorant of the way it is. And to act like it is not far worse than work overall (in working conditions for the most part) is also ridiculous. The working conditions are quite horrific and to argue for no controls at all on it would only benefit the criminals and cartels. Of course they are workers and they are exploited but it is absolutely necessary to defeat such behaviors as AES nations have taken steps to do so. I also find this behavior of thinking someone knows more about solving these issues and increasing the conditions of the working class members who are subjected to sex work than AES nations is ridiculous and chauvinistic. They can be workers and we can also accept that these workers are exploited and attacked viciously and in the end must be an evil that is removed from society. In the end, I try not to and I hope others try not to think they can solved these issues more effectively than AES states have. We must insure we learn from examples and not follow these “libertarian” policies of just “anything goes”. I hope this comment does not come off as rude but this is what my thoughts are on it.
Your comment didn’t come off as rude, and it looks like we agree on quite a bit. But honestly you’re responding to a lot of things I didn’t say – I didn’t suggest anything like an “anything goes” approach to sex work, and I pointed out how exploitative it usually is.
Ignoring AES states’ policies is chauvinistic, but treating them as infallible is dogmatic and unscientific. AES states themselves acknowledge their past shortcomings and seek improvements.
In the immediate context of trying to build socialism in a capitalist society, I think the best approach is to meet sex workers with tools that are immediately useful, like unions (which do exist for sex workers) and legal protections. Telling them that they are involved in evil and ideally their work wouldn’t exist doesn’t offer them anything within their grasp, and can come across as preachy.
I don’t want to attack the actual sex workers as they are forced into it. The people who I am absolutely fine with action being taken against (which is my problem when people argue for legalization) are the pimps and the johns.
I’ve seen someone (male) mentioning they were a virgin and lonely and several posters encouraged them to rent a woman with one mentioning having done so themselves in the past.
You got any receipts for that?
I looked for it and couldn’t find but did go down a rabbit hole on Hexbear and jeez, there is a lack of analysis on a lot of subjects (sex work and drugs being the main two)