• ShranTheWaterPoloFan@startrek.website
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    No one is ever going to acknowledge my humanity

    What does that look like to you? People are talking to you right now. I know that no one has said “you are a person” but what specifically do you want?

    Unless you were literally raised by wolves this is some self aggrandizing incel bullshit.

    Coming up with an theory of the world that confirms that you are right and everyone else is terrible is lazy. I don’t think you’ve ever actually cared about anyone but yourself.

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      People are talking to you right now

      You’re talking at me, lying to me and trying to dictate reality to me. You don’t respect me an an equal person - you think of me as an infinite “less than” that you need to dominate with your lies.

      Unless you were literally raised by wolves this is some self aggrandizing incel bullshit.

      I was raised by some of the most abusive people on the planet - enough to be jailed today - and surrounded exclusively by abusive peers.

      I don’t think you’ve ever actually cared about anyone but yourself.

      I did care, but you assholes taught me that caring about people who wanted me dead was a suicide pact. No one ever cared about me - not my parents, not my childhood peers, no school faculty. You motherfuckers demonstrated over fifteen years that my caring would be actively mocked as “stupid” and “retarded” and that I would be punished until I was capable of physically breaking my punishers. You all did that - not me. You all made sure no one would ever care about me, even going so far as to kill yourselves to guarantee it. You are quasi-religious zealots, dedicate to the cause of hate.

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        I was raised by some of the most abusive people on the planet - enough to be jailed today - and surrounded exclusively by abusive peers.

        I’m sorry. Have you considered that they are perhaps not representative of the whole of humanity?

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          Humanity compulsively mirrors the behavior of other people, in order to be accepted by their peers. They have neurons dedicated to this mirroring. Furthermore, people compulsively fight and kill anyone who isn’t exactly like them - which is why my life is in danger, and why there are genocides.

          This results in humanity constantly working to be exactly like one another - both to be accepted, and to avoid being killed. People who fail to do so do not survive, leaving only those who are almost exactly like one another.

          Not to mention that asserting that people aren’t equal is simply bigotry. The only people who don’t think any person is representative of the whole of humanity are white supremacists.

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                Do you mean murder literally? Like you think if anyone saw you they would literally stab you with any sharp object near by? Or are you taking about a social pressure and systematic oppression that wears you down slowly over time?

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                  Technically both, but they prioritize domination - which includes that “social pressure and systematic oppression” you mentioned. They will kill me, but only because I refuse to be dominated, refuse to submit to my own oppression.

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                  And how do you expect me to act - like a submissive bitch?

                  I’m not your slave; I’m not your property. I will fight tooth-and-nail to protect my liberty.

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            Furthermore, people compulsively fight and kill anyone who isn’t exactly like them

            Citation needed. How is there any diversity at all in the world? Not everyone is exactly the same.

            The only people who don’t think any person is representative of the whole of humanity are white supremacists.

            A sample size of one or a few is never totally representative of billions. Do you think everyone in the world is exactly like Greta Thunberg? People have a huge variety of values and personalities, you can’t boil everyone down to a charcuterie of the particular people you grew up with.

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              Citation needed.

              Uh, every fucking genocide? Read a history book.

              A sample size of one or a few is never totally representative of billions

              My sample size is in the thousands - more than that if you include everyone who has participated in a genocide. Even more if you include every bigot.

              People have a huge variety of values and personalities

              And none of them mean jack shit. You’re bringing up meaningless drivel to support your weak-ass argument.

              you can’t boil everyone down to a charcuterie of the particular people you grew up with.

              The problem - confirmed by my therapists - is that there were exactly zero samples of anyone contrasting.

              A society capable of keeping such people away at all can do so indefinitely. So it doesn’t matter if they ever existed or not - people will keep them away from me forever, simply because they could not live with themselves if they fail.

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                Uh, every fucking genocide? Read a history book.

                You’re taking about all of humanity, not just people who have committed genocide. Not everyone on earth has committed genocide.

                My sample size is in the thousands - more than that if you include everyone who has participated in a genocide. Even more if you include every bigot.

                Are you only including bad people in your sample? Obviously that would end up skewing the sample towards people being bad. Have you heard of the term representative sample in statistics? That’s how I’m using it.

                The problem - confirmed by my therapists - is that there were exactly zero samples of anyone contrasting.

                I’m sorry you haven’t met any non terrible people. I’ve met plenty. I hope you can meet some more people to change that.

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                  Not everyone on earth has committed genocide.

                  But anyone at least supports genocide, at least theoretically.

                  Are you only including bad people in your sample?

                  Not intentionally, but the whole point is that 1) a random sampling obtains no “good” people 2) a thorough search also fails to turn up these mythical “good” people.

                  I hope you can meet some more people to change that.

                  The people I’m surrounded by would never allow that. They are willing to commit genocide to make sure the people they control stay in control.

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                    What do you mean by genocide? What does it mean to support it? The only genocide I’ve been alive for that I know of is the current one against the Uyghur Muslims. Am I supporting that one?

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        You’re talking at me, lying to me and trying to dictate reality to me.

        Let’s say someone actually wanted to help you. Let’s say they truly believed that going outside and interacting with people in person would do you good. How should such a person express their feelings and try to help while acknowledging you, respecting your humanity, and treating you as of equal value as a human?

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          They wouldn’t last long enough - they’d be murdered, or at least disabled, by the other narcissists in society. Such a person would be an obvious “freak” and face the exact same “punishment” as I have faced my entire life - except they don’t have the experience that I do, and fall for one of their cons. That’s when they’d be killed.

          Narcissists rule this planet with an iron fist. There is no escape, and no effective counter.

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            I would like to act like such a person. How would I do that? (I do want to help you, but I don’t think you would believe me)

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                Thank you. But I don’t feel the urge to commit suicide. I don’t think the hypothetical person would either.

                How would you like me to talk to you?

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                  I don’t want you to talk to me - I want you to listen to me and internalize what I teach you. Saying anything back is simply the petulant resistance of a child that won’t eat their vegetables.

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                    I am listening to you. But I don’t think you want to listen to me.

                    Is there nothing I could say that would convince you that not everyone is trying to kill you?

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        Are you happy?

        It seems like you are lashing out randomly and have a world view that everything is orchestrated to harm you.

        You all made sure no one would ever care about me, even going so far as to kill yourselves to guarantee it.

        You believe that people have killed themselves to make your life worse? I don’t want to sound mean, but you aren’t the only person.

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          Are you happy?

          No, I’m not a happiness addict. Happiness is not the goal - it’s the failure state. Happiness means I’ve become an abusive monster, like you.

          You believe that people have killed themselves to make your life worse? I don’t want to sound mean, but you aren’t the only person.

          I know. They’ve done the same to and for other people. Bigotry affects millions of people - I’m simply an equal one of those affected.

          I’m simply trying to convince people that I"m an equal one of them, but their bigotry makes them refuse to accept that - just as it does to the equality of many others. The only difference between me and other victims of bigotry is that I don’t belong to a group.

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            Happiness is not the goal - it’s the failure state. Happiness means I’ve become an abusive monster, like you.

            That’s a wild take man. Like what are you talking about? Can you tell me exactly what I’ve done to be an “abusive monster”? Could you elaborate on how happiness is only the result of being abusive?

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              Happiness is like a drug; it is addictive, and “taking” it loses effectiveness over time. This means every person needs to do more extreme things to achieve the same happiness. Eventually, they need to start abusive others in order to achieve the same “high”.

              You may not be actively abusive yet, but you have to quit cold-turkey and run directly away from happiness in order to avoid the grip it will gain on you.

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                I’m going to disagree with you. I have found it takes less to make me happy as I get older. Moreover, my happiest moments are those where others are happy. I take no pleasure in harming others and I don’t believe that’s a unique perspective.

                I think your coping mechanisms have made your life more difficult.

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                  I think your coping mechanisms have made your life more difficult.

                  By definition that’s not possible. Unless you’re accusing me of being incompetent; correct exercise of coping mechanisms cannot make life more difficult because they’re engineered as a ratchet.

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                    It is common to develop a drug or alcohol addiction as part of a coping mechanism. That can absolutely make your life more difficult. Coping mechanisms can make it more difficult to make changes that will better your life.

                    The path of least resistance isn’t always the easiest path.