• Mchugho@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Well stop acting as though it’s an insignificant number of people who abuse the system. I’m not talking about immigrants either. There are millions who could be in work but aren’t.

    • SbisasCostlyTurnover@feddit.uk
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      1 year ago

      But in the grand scheme of things it’s a relatively small percentage of people. And If they were serious about saving the tax payers money they wouldn’t have written off a few billion in COVID loans a few years back.

      They couldn’t give two shits if some bloke is down the job center claiming a few hundred quid to sit on his arse, and tbh neither should we. There’s significantly bigger fish to fry.

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        It’s not just some bloke is it? It’s an entire demographic. Our schools are failing people from the very start and they aren’t interested in social mobility or education.

        We spent £230bn on welfare last year alone. Granted a percentage of that chunk is fixed, but to act as though there is no headroom and people aren’t gaming the system ever is just insanity.

        Yes the rich need taxing, but this isn’t a mutually exclusive kind of situation. We shouldn’t just tax the rich and spend stupidly elsewhere.

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          When did I say people aren’t playing the system? I said it’s massively overestimated given the numbers of people that aren’t playing the system.

          And welfare spending also includes Pensions. It’s also by far and away the largest portion of that pie. Maybe we could take the state pension away from people who already have a nice cushty private pension and distribute that percentage back to people who aren’t in a position to retire at all?

          • Mchugho@lemmy.world
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            1 year ago

            When you said like 15 people are abusing the system. There are millions out there and you know it.

            Yes scrap the triple lock as well, it’s a load of bollocks too.

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              There are millions out there and you know it.

              I don’t know it. Can you show any kind of proof?

              For the record, it seems like ~10 million people aren’t working who are of working age in the UK. If it’s millions, it would mean that at least 1 in 5 people not working abuses the system. Do you really think it’s that high?

              • Mchugho@lemmy.world
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                1 year ago

                It depends how many people claiming sick you think are actually unable to work. It benefits both the claimants and government to fudge the statistics to make it seem like the long term unemployed are receiving sickness benefits.

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                  1 year ago

                  You claimed that it’s millions. Can you show any evidence? I mean, you even claimed the other commenter knows you are right with that.

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                    Here you go. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52660591

                    Like I said before it really depends how many of the people claiming to be sick actually are unable to work. If you truly believe all of them it doesn’t look like many,but from experience I know there are plenty of people claiming sick who are able to work.