This post is directed at the “but what about hamas violence” crowd. If you’re not from that demographic then you can disregard this post.

Read this article for a left-wing Israeli perspective.

And then read this one too.

The feeling of dread and terror that Israelis are feeling since yesterday is not even a hundredth of what Palestinians have been feeling every single day for the past 75+ years of Zionist colonialism.

When rockets are launched, Israelis have to suffer the inconvenience of being woken up by a siren and running to their shelter until their Iron Dome intercepts the rockets.

Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank don’t have this privilege. None of it. None at all. When the IDF decides to bomb an apartment building or hospital, Palestinians don’t have an early warning system to alert them, or fancy high tech defense systems to counter the attack, or shelters to protect them. They just die, and all Israel has to do to evade accountability is say the magic words “There were Hamas militants in there, probably” and that’s the end of that, until the next attack of course.

Are you still concerned for the few anti-zionist/innocent israelis who may get caught in the crossfire? Then direct that concern at the Zionist state and and the various western world powers that fund and support them.

If you believe that Hamas’ actions are unjustified, then you should be aware that, contrary to the zionist narrative, they didn’t just show up out of nowhere and began shooting Jews just for fun. Hamas was founded in 1987. This was 20 years after Israel began the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and about 40 years after the Nakba started.

Fire dies out without oxygen. In order for Palestinian violence to stop, the reason for this violence must cease to exist. That reason is the threat of Zionist colonialism.

If, despite knowing all the context behind this conflict you still feel like Israeli civilian lives are way too valuable to not talk about, then by all means go ahead and talk about it. Just know that you are wasting your breath, you are preaching to the choir. Whenever an Israeli stubs his toe the western media will immediately rush to condemn the table’s aggression and make sure the whole world learns of this grave injustice. Your voice of concern about it amounts to a drop in the ocean.

Reading this, you might think I am justifying terrorism or calling for civilians to be massacred, but that’s not true. Having empathy is what made me an anti-zionist in the first place after all. I also think it’s tragic when innocent Israeli civilians die, which is precisely why I call for the dismantling of Israeli apartheid and settler colonialism. Because that is the ONLY thing that can put an end to this cycle of violence.

To summarize, if you’re horrified to see what Israelis have to live through then imagine how horrifying it must be to be a Palestinian. If you care about Israeli civilians, then point your finger at the Zionist regime. I care, which is why I express solidarity with the Palestinian people and call for an end to their oppression.

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    I have an Israeli friend living in Israel. I stayed with him and his family a while. They’re good people. The bomb shelter/home cinema in the basement and automated armoured shutters on their windows were dissonant to the rest of the peaceful community vibe.

    But it’s the same with any Western community. The ‘normal’ creature comforts and luxury compared to the rest of the world is dressed benignly but it’s all predicated on robbing the rest of the world. Israel was only different in that it’s on a part of the global border between colonizers and colonized where the border is actively being pushed.

    What’s happening in Israel now is coming for the rest of the imperialist core as that core is stripped down like layers of an onion. It may come in the form of militants driving down your street taking their homes back, or it may come in the form of your energy bill shooting up because in some far-off land someone decided not to let your government steal their uranium anymore.

    People are going to think they’re being unjustly victimized because they’re ignorant to the fact that they’ve been complicit in the victimization of others. And that’s why westerners are so suddenly willfully ignoring what Israel has been doing to Palestine in plain sight: because as westerners their governments are doing the same, albeit more subtly. They’re more than ready to acknowledge the crimes, but they’re not ready to pay reparations beyond empty gestures.

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    Afaic, there’s no such thing as israeli civilians. They’re almost all IDF reserve, except like-- the children. By RoEs, they’re almost ENTIRELY legal combatants. And considering the IDF blows away Palestinian children with seeming carté blanche, I’m not exactly weeping about the worst-case.

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      Children dying is always a tragedy, but ffs it isn’t the fault of the palestinians that those kids are on the front lines of a genocide. Their parents are putting them in harm’s way. It’s their shitty parents’ fault if they get hurt.

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        it isn’t the fault of the palestinians that those kids are on the front lines of a genocide.

        Nor am I saying it is. Honestly, if the Zionists wanted the guarantee of safety for their kids, they shouldn’t have had them in a territory they were illegally occupying. That’s just asking for trouble.

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    More reports: “Hamas is parading civilian corpses. this is not about Israel. this I about not being a Antisemit. this isnt on Israel. this attack is on Hamas.”

    If you see someone getting banned for being a zionist in the modlog this is why.

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      Theoretically, the settlers could be allowed to stay in the country so long as they ceded the stolen property, but at that point they may as well be deported because they would own very little either way.

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    When did these “innocent Israelis” protest against apartheid? Where were their tears when Palestinian homes were bulldozed? How much food/aid did they donate to Palestinians during the years of blockade?

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      When did these “innocent Israelis” protest against apartheid? Where were their tears when Palestinian homes were bulldozed?

      If you are looking for examples, there are a few. In 2014, leftists protested against the army’s aggression in Gaza and were attacked by far-right gangsters.

      And earlier this year some of them protested against one of the illegal settlements and protested in solidarity with Huwara. They were suppressed with tear gas and stun grenades.

      Sadly these examples are few and far between and aren’t politically significant in the grand scheme of things, but they do exist, to answer your question.

      Regardless, the intention of my post wasn’t to promote the image of “the innocent Israeli” but to answer the concerns I’ve seen on the fediverse and reddit. Many people in the west have a bias in favor of white colonists, even if they don’t realize it (myself included, I feel like I still have some biases that I haven’t fully gotten rid of, and I’m still trying to better understand the Palestinian side of things). I wanted to “de-emphasize”, for a lack of a better term, the suffering of Israeli civilians in order for these people to have a better understanding of the context of this situation, and of the fact that the world doesn’t revolve around privileged settlers and that their suffering isn’t more important or tragic. If I had just said “they deserve it lol fuck them” then it sure would be funny and satisfying to hear their reactions, but nobody would really learn much from it.

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    I think what really solidified me as an anti-zionist was this article from 2021. It’s pretty much the same as what we went through in North America. A settler comes in, discovers our home, and petitions the government to remove us to make way for them. I don’t fault any tribe for fighting for their homes. The settlers had no business being there. It’s exactly the same as over there.

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    “This post is directed at the “but what about hamas violence” crowd. If you’re not from that demographic then you can disregard this post“ I think this post is important to everyone for talking points and even context. Great post!

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      Hamas “terrorism” is self-defense. What would you have them do? March? Well, they’ve tried that already and nothing changed.

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        Every peaceful option has been exhausted. The settler government decided that the proper response to “peaceful protest” is to methodically and brutally murder children, doctors and journalists.

        From the river to the sea, libs. 🇵🇸

        (I agree with comrade NikkiB here, for context.)

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      A man with a knife chases a second man, trying to kill him. The second man shoots him dead.

      Liberal: “Two wrongs don’t make a right.”