• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    It’ll never work…

    At least not until we flush all the moderates out and replace them with progressives who actually want to give the people what they ask for.

    Moderates know the main reasons they get votes is they’re not Republicans.

    In the current system that means they get the vote of everyone left of republicans. They just have to win the primary, and as the party has argued in court: the primary isn’t a real election and they can influence it as much as they want, because at the end of it, they don’t even have to abide by a primary’s results.

    In RCV that means they get ranked slightly above a Republican, and unlikely to win any elections anywhere.

    So they’ll oppose it just to maintain their existing power.

    Before we can fix America, we need to fix the Democratic Party. Then fight the Republicans

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      11 months ago

      Moderates make up 85% of the population. Are you saying you want to remove access to vote for the vast majority of people to support your tiny minority views?

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        11 months ago

        Moderates make up 85% of the population

        What?

        For that to remotely have a chance at being true, then you’re counting a sizable amount of Republicans as “moderates”.

        A claim like that really needs a source

        Are you saying you want to remove access to vote for the vast majority of people to support your tiny minority views?

        Clearly not…

        That would only make sense if you first claim was factual, which it isn’t. And even then, clearly wasn’t what I was saying…

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          11 months ago

          Far Left make up about 5%, Far Right are 10%, Moderates (everyone else) make up 85%

          Gallop says 81% make up the middle. Far Right 9%, Far Left is 7%, and Moderates 81%. There are no conservatives or liberals anymore. They are all Moderates now compared to the Progressives and Fascists on the two ends.

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            11 months ago

            A claim like that really needs a source

            You’re not linking any sources…

            I’m not gonna keep asking

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                11 months ago

                I looked it up, just for fun, because you’re being annoying and obtuse.

                Gallup (FTFY, learn to spell your source) does indeed have some data about this. It’s a self-reported description of one’s political leaning, labeled an Ideology poll, that they have been taking since 1992. 2021’s results had about 12000 responders, which equates to 0.0075% of the number of adults who voted in the 2020 election.

                In this poll:

                • 9% identified as very conservative
                • 27% identified as conservative
                • 37% identified as moderate
                • 17% identified as liberal
                • 7% identified as very liberal
                • 3% said they had no opinion

                No clue whose asshole you’re pulling your random numbers out of.

                Here’s the source you tried and failed to reference: https://news.gallup.com/poll/388988/political-ideology-steady-conservatives-moderates-tie.aspx

                EDIT: For extra fun, if you open that page and Ctrl+F for any number from 80 to 89, you won’t find a single one. So not only is your 85% number wrong, there isn’t even anything close to it mentioned anywhere in the results for any reason at all.

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                  11 months ago

                  It would seem that they’re calling everyone who didn’t pick the one of the most extreme options a “moderate”

                  Edit:

                  Yep, the numbers add up, and that’s likely why they refused to link it, because one glance disproves their argument . Although they did exaggerate the right and downplay the left a little still…

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                  11 months ago

                  I find it interesting to look at polls on issues, as the right and the corporate media has spent untold amounts of money and decades on demonizing the very word liberal, so asking people what they self-identify as is probably less instructive than asking them where they stand on a whole range of issues.