• SinningStromgald@lemmy.world
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    “Centrist” aka “I’ll still vote for racist fascist misogynists instead of anyone else”. Fuck off!

    P.S. And he thinks welfare is a problem like some blubbering Reganite reject.

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      Really, I think centrist normally just means totally uninformed. They’ve buried their head in the sand so they don’t realize what’s wrong.

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        Centrist means you’re too embarrassed to admit you’re a republican.

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          You know, some people have some sort of nuanced opinions instead of just picking a colour. Maybe if everything weren’t such a fucking battle between the 51% and the 49%, maybe you wouldn’t end up with the least capable candidates from either side.

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            Sure. I have a more nuanced opinion too. The fact is that we have two conservative parties, but there’s a lot of good options to the left. A centrist (in the US) has seen everything that’s been done by the conservatives and still somehow isn’t further left (or right if you agree with the crazy shit) of our conservative parties. There’s plenty of nuance to be had, but it isn’t in the center of the two parties.

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            If your nuanced opinions still lead you to vote for the party that is actively seeking to vote for candidates that want the terrible shit Republicans want… you’re opinions aren’t that nuanced.

            I know people who only admit to voting Republican because they make enough money to have a vested interest in Republican tax cuts. Get a couple glasses of wine into those people and they’ll start exposing their “nuanced opinions” like how much they hate the gays.

            If your nuanced opinions still motivate you to vote republican, you’re still a piece of shit.

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      When did he say he votes republican? And I think his criticism of welfare is that it’s run inefficiently, not that it should be abolished

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      Lol you must be one of those vote blue no matter who types. You’re anyone else is always a dem isn’t it? And if someone votes anything else than blue or red, they’re throwing away their vote right?

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        You’re the one who is blinded by ideology.

        The GOP in the US literally tried to overthrow the Constitution in 2020, and hasn’t said they won’t do it in 2024.

        If the choice is between the Dems and some magical third party who is going to pop up out of nowhere, hell yes I’m voting Blue no matter who.

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          Yea… I’m the one that’s blinded, while you literally just said you will blindly vote blue.

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            The Left had four years to put Bernie on the ballot. I contributed to him myself. We’re heading into 2024 and the GOP’s top candidate is still Trump. Who is your alternative to Biden?

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              At this point, trump and biden should be disqualified for just their age. They’re dinosaurs, vote wise, Presidential voting doesn’t matter as much as local and state does. I’ve tried to vote independent as much as I can, and vote for someone that at least hits 50% of what I believe is needed. Dems do make the pass sometimes but other times I don’t feel comfortable voting for any candidates.

              Also Bernie got Ron Pauled by the Dems. Dude should definitely been the one put up against trump

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        And if someone votes anything else than blue or red, they’re throwing away their vote right?

        As long as the US election system is the way that it is, then yes it is an undisputed fact that voting for third party is the same as throwing your vote away. It is a shitty system and it is in desperate need for a change, but it doesn’t make it less true.

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          It’s worse than throwing your vote away. It’s a shadow vote for the most popular candidate who is most diametrically opposite from your views, in that it is taking a potential vote away from the most popular candidate who is closer than them. It’s letting perfect get in the way of better.

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          And I’ll continue to vote 3rd party. My conscious is clear. The system is broken but I’m not feeding into it. Red and blue teams are burning the US to the ground. Hell the tribalism for the blue team just in this post is insane.

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            You’re absolutely feeding into it, by depriving yourself entirely of a voice in elections. If you’re consistently voting 3rd party, that has exactly the same impact on who gets elected as dropping your ballots in the trash can instead of the ballot box.

            In your quest for ideological purity, you’ve achieved irrelevancy.

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              Which is fine by me. I’d rather know I didn’t contribute to the mess everyone else is making.

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                That’s…

                Okay, I’m not going to beat around the bush. That’s stupid, selfish, and morally repugnant. You’re hurting the most vulnerable among us so you can pretend to meet some lofty ideal of political purity.

                I don’t have that luxury. You see, I have kids, and they have to grow up in whatever world we leave them. On top of that, my son is trans and my daughter is gay, so I have to vote pragmatically to protect their rights.

                Realistically, you know the next president is going to be a Democrat or a Republican. Other part candidates have a 0% chance of winning. Out of those party choices, which ones are currently pushing horrifying lies about people like my kids? I can pick the party that would literally murder them if they could get away with it… Or I can pick the party that wouldn’t.

                If I go your route, I’m silencing my ability to use my voice in the interests of my own children. Why would I do that?

                And why would you?

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                  This is why I stated you vote in local elections. They mean way more than on the presidential scale. And until the electoral college is removed. You’re vote means fuck all as well. It’s why Trump was elected in the first place.

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        I’m pretty sure this guy is not a Democrat just because he talks about diversity. I don’t know many anti-welfare Democrats who talk about fat welfare queens. That’s pretty antithetical to the sort of things the party wants and very on-point for Republicans.

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        You must be one of those idiots that make baseless assumptions.

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    The distinguishing mark of so-called “conservatives” in the US is not, in fact, conservatism — that is, a desire to cherish and protect the good in their society.

    Rather, it is betrayal.

    They are not conservatives, but rather traitors — betrayers. They betray their faith, placing Trump ahead of Jesus. They betray their country, placing Putin ahead of Washington. They betray their species, placing oil companies ahead of humanity.

    Conservatism can only be redeemed by embracing the actual good of our actual society. You can only conserve that which really exists. That includes the “melting pot” of multiculturalism.

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      It would be cool if they were all about conserving wildlife, natural features, forests, clean air, and clean water. Or the rights to vote and have privacy.

      But no, they just want to conserve the power of a small group at the expense of everyone else.

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      Imagine a pretend political ideology called cleavism. Given its name you say it’s all about cleaving the good in society from the bad, whatever the hell that means. But there are so-called “cleavists” out there who insist cleavism is about joining the bad and the good together. What gives? Well, in practice cleavism has little to do with the two opposing definitions of “to cleave” (“to split” and “to join”). It’s really just named after some guy with the surname Cleaver or something.

      Political ideologies aren’t medical diagnoses. You can’t derive their meaning like you can with atrial arrhythmic induced tachycardia cardiomyopathy. If you try this naive etymology out on anarchism then you’ll reduce that ideology to nothing more than a non-substantive, meaningless, circular definition. Conservatives conserve. Liberals liberate. Socialists socialize. See? Meaningless.

      Unfortunately for the entire world, conservatism has never been about “protecting the good in society.” That’s just a vapid and empty wish for what you want conservatism to mean. You’d be hard pressed to find any reputable political science text that would trivialize one of the most dominate ideologies of the past two centuries like this. Let alone claim there is some inherent goodwill baked into the ideology.

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    All these people know is hate.

    They can only support “their own” for so long before they start directing their hate and rage at each other.

    Cycles keep spinning.

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    They’d like him better if they knew he fucked an ostrich. Bunch of fuckin’ degens.

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    I don’t know if I like them wearing their racism on their sleeve better than back when they were hiding it.

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    This article is garbage, here’s “thing someone said” + random twitter comments about it. So one, it spreads the toxic original message of hate from rando idiot conservatives toward the idea of diversity and a melting pot. Then two, it makes us liberals broadly associate all conservatives with the hate message from rando twitter accounts. Imo this is garbage “journalism”. If prominent conservative thought leaders are commenting about something on twitter it could be newsworthy, but you probably know that it’s probably not when they include users such as “TriangleCyclops”, “DPZCrypto”, “BoxingMD1”, etc. Yep those 3-4 tweets must represent literally millions of people’s exact thoughts.

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    "We are the melting pot of the world and that’s what makes us strong our diversity. And we need to learn to harness that and appreciate it and not use it as a political tool to keep everyone separate from it.”

    Conservatives: No, that’s exactly the tool we’ve been talking about.

    It’s saddening and hurtful that overt racism is accepted and trendy in The United States of America. I genuinely don’t understand how the most foundational core component of this country is lost on so many people. The US was founded to escape persecution and oppression (as it persecuted and oppressed the natives and later did the same with “imported labor”). Oh, yeah… I guess hypocrisy and contradiction is right there within the core too.

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        But only the white ones who own property. The rest are scum who aren’t allowed to vote. And don’t even get me started on the non-whites. /s

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    Finally a song that captures our thoughts and perspective and how we really feel!

    (the song is complete fucking garbage)

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    The funny thing is that “melting pot” is generally a conservative term, often used to deny the value of diversity.

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        A melting pot is a monocultural metaphor for a heterogeneous society becoming more homogeneous, the different elements “melting together” with a common culture

        Yes, as opposed to moving towards a diverse, multicultural, heterogeneous society, isn’t it?

        “Melting pot” is a reduction of diversity.

        Maybe I should correct my statement to “generally used by conservatives,” instead of saying it’s specifically a conservative term.