You don’t get 5% on that figure.

More so, VAR works much better on the continent, so Gary should be saying “English VAR needs to learn lessons.”

No, he couldn’t turn it around.

You need to get a life, mate. Internet fandom is the saddest thing in football. Growing chillies has better outcomes than the drivel you’ve just posted.

Everton we’re in dialogue before and during their breach. That’s not the same as you’ve told their story.

The truth is that PSG shown the way. You fail ffp, hold your hands up and admit it, you don’t conceal it or lie about it, you just plainly say sorry and get a fine.

That’s not in the rules, and I’m sure would be overturned by CAS if they tried to aftertime it.

Relegation isn’t an option, because it’s not in the rules, and can’t be. A wage cap is also not in the rules and it would require substantial notice to write it into all players contracts.

Next time you add nothing to a conversation at least try and be funny.

City can’t change their story or evidence. They will be found guilty of the seven serious breaches. It’s unfathomable to see any way they can get away with it. This will, according to precedents, be in the form of point deductions in the region of 10-12 each (quite likely a few more for the Mancini breach), and reduced to half on appeal (precedent again, and we will see Everton’s appeal before then).

The rest will be fines, possible a transfer ban as well.

Once you dock them 5+ points they probably don’t win the league. If you dock them 60 points they’re fighting relegation. Anything in between is more or less the same outcome.

They can’t be relegated, because the rules don’t allow. In theory you could expel them from the league, which puts them out of all leagues. CAS would overturn that as too harsh, and rightly so.

City know this, they calculated for all this. You’re going to see an appealed points deduction of less than 60 and a fine that they can afford. That’s it. The consequences will never match the benefit of the cheating. 🤷🏻‍♂️

How old are you and which country are you from?

There you go!

United had an infuriating 2 year spell like this circa 2006 to 2009, and then it settled down. I think it just falls that way sometimes.

The game is simply more athletic, less physical. This means that world class players were gifted on the ball, off the ball, and hard as fuck. Now you only need to be the first two, which means half of each team are of similar ability. So nobody stands out as much to be considered in the same way until you get the rare anomalies - Haaland et al.

You can’t spend more than you earn to buy a title. Controversial, I know, but it’s widely supported, unless…

Your 17.00 is our 15.00. If they’re all listed at 15.00 on Saturday then they’re not yet scheduled. The TV companies decide nearer the time, usually a couple of months in advance but cup games can move a league game.

If you say what date on Feb we can probably give a better idea on it, but it’s not perfect.

1. They didn’t sue, they threatened/litigated and settled. That’s slightly different. Chances are that £20M was cost effective for West Ham and avoided further reputations damage. The point here is that no legal precedent has been set.

2. Charlton threatened Sheff United, but nothing came of it. I suspect because…

3. All the clubs agree to the sanction process and you can’t sue for it. No court is going to decide that it’s unfair based on timing. Also, keep in mind a breach could be unintentional. You’re effectively asking a court to decide the timing of a third party process that all members agreed to is unfair if it’s quick but not slow or vice versa.

4. It’s the daily fail. Probably based on some hot air from said clubs looking to see if they can get a settlement. Really, it won’t see an application.

Firstly, centre of mass isn’t a fair measure. Take a 6’7” v 5’6” scenario. How do you stop the bra moving, like at all. It could rise or twist.

But that’s all academic because there’s an easier solution afoot. We will have AI eyes in the near future and that takes away the issues above, is cheaper, and inevitable.

I championed your idea for many years by the way. I think semi automated offsides start next season in Europe.

They discussed it with the PL before and during the breach and were advised it would be a breach, it’s hard to claim unfair.

The 10 points is in line with Sheffield Wednesday’s 12 points for slightly worse offence, which was reduced to 6 on appeal.

So if Everton get 5 point deduction and stay up, the precedent is in tact for City case, and everyone has been warned that future sanctions will be tougher.

All makes sense when you look into it in detail.

Unforeseen? They were trying to persuade the PL to agree to lots of it for two years and they said no. They had an opportunity, several in fact, to change course, and didn’t. Unforeseen? This only tells us that you’ve not digested the full facts.

No, it can’t be the same. The Juve case demonstrates this.

There is, however, a few scenarios for ffp breaches:

One, where an oversight/genuine error occurs, and wasn’t intentional or in bad faith (see lots of clubs after Covid).

Two, where a club actively try to get around/cheat ffp (See Sheffield Wednesday.

Three, where a club absolutely, and blatantly, cheat ffp for years, and the consequences can never be enough to justify not doing it so you have to rewrite the rules (see City).

People will, and should feel differently about those. Comparing them to match fixing is futile.

There is no mechanism to ban, or relegate from the PL. Only a points deduction, which may lead to a relegation. If that happened city would return in a year and then struggle with £ for a few years and be mid table.

There’s a lot of sense in what you say. I’ll just add this:

They have rewritten the rules. Clubs now have to submit in full, quarterly (I think) and a final year end by May. The FA has until August to review/approve/charge. Any appeal etc to be wrapped up by Christmas. This prevents the delaying tactic. They also moved the burden of proof to the club more than the FA, and failing to cooperate is considered the same crime, with same punishment.

If we use Sheff Wednesday as a reference point, and Everton, then SW got 12 points reduced to 6 on appeal. City’s 6 ffps for direct investment look broadly like SW’s. Everton look less bad, and they have 10, and I suspect will get 5 on appeal. The Mancini breach is the worst, and will get more than 12 and I doubt will be reduced in appeal. It’s literally cash in brown envelopes bad. So, let’s say 6x6 and 20. That’s a 56 point deduction. Interestingly, that would require 94 points won to stay up, or put another way a very interesting season for everyone. Did someone mention PR? Nobody has been murdered and City will have their destiny in their own hands. That’s good for the product, good for the media, good for the ethics, and, I’d say, good for City.

They will also get big fines, and appeal on severity. They can’t argue against most of the charges for failing to cooperate.

On the question of stripping titles? I can’t see it. Other clubs have had point deductions and they didn’t apply retrospectively. There’s only the Juve precedent and that’s match fixing not ffp.

Someone elsewhere claimed that on being found guilty they could be banned from Europe. I’m not sure that is the case (it might be, I don’t know) but I’d expect UEFA to pressure the FA to do so. And again, no PR issues, really.

I said elsewhere, the biggest real consequence for City is if Pep walks, and/or players aren’t motivated to fight a relegation fight with a title winning performance.

You’re trying to solve a problem that shouldn’t exist and the answer, whilst not clear, is in front of us.

Germany, Spain, France & Portugal use VAR far better than us. Emulate that, then refine. Until then you’re making life unnecessarily difficult.